RGD

Jim, want to try that again? from the Catholic Encyclopedia....

In order for the prophecy to be fulfilled, the Papacy would have to disappear - so as to no longer have power over the saints, yes?

I hate to break it to you, but the Papacy is a going concern, and the current pontiff has nominated more saints than his predecessors have in four hundred years.

Jim Larmore

You never change do you RGD. My posts covering the 10 barbaric tribes of that conquered Rome were meant to be a cursive or abreviated look at the way it all happened not a minute detailed history lesson. This is not meant to be that. Your posts are nothing more than a bloviation like they always are.

Do you agree that Rome fell in 457 A.D.? Do you agree that in the end there were essentially ten tribes that conquered it? Do you agree that the papacy did attack and wipe out the Ostrogoths the Vandals the Heruli?

If not then please let me show you where you can find historical verification for this claim I've made.

Chris Weimer

Jim, you post utter bullshit about nonsensical garbage and have already been refuted. It's not that we don't read history, it's that you keep making things up. Snap out of your little fantasy world and step into reality.

Jim Larmore

Well I don't know maybe the Jewish calendars of Babylonian times may be one reason.


Well duh, if you take 1798 and subtract 538 it equals 1260 years. Looks good to me.

Jim Larmore

You don't read the posts do you. What I said was the deadly wound was healed in 1929 by the dictator Mussilinni ( ms ) this fulfilled Rev 13:3. Also according to history right after 1798 the Holy church ended the persecution of heretics .

Steven Carr

I think you will find that there are 3 different numbers of days in year
1) A solar year contains about 365 days, and is used by some people
2) A lunay year contains about 354 days, and is used by other people
3) An imaginary year contains 360 days, and is not used by anybody except Christian apologists who need to hammer the numbers when they don't fit properly.

Jim Larmore

No you are incorrect there is evidence that the hebrews have used this for thousands of years. They even used it sparsely clear up to just before Christ's lst advent.

Steven Carr

The Babylonians, being pretty good astronomers, managed to work out that a year does not contain 360 days. (Not all ancient people were totally stupid)

Hint - look up 'intercalary months'.

http://www.parthia.com/assar_calendar.htm

'From 527/526 B.C., in the reign of Cambyses, we note that the Babylonian astronomers had developed and introduced into their calendar the octaeteris system of intercalations in which three additional months were inserted into an 8-year cycle to harmonise the lunar and solar years. But, having discovered the inherent inaccuracy of this system (roughly 1.5 days in 8 years), later cuneiform texts reveal that in 503 B.C. (the 19th year of Darius I, who reigned 522-486 B.C.), the Babylonian astronomers replaced the octaeteris with a far more advanced system of intercalations. This was the 19-year cycle which is habitually but quite wrongly referred to as the "Metonic" cycle because the great Greek astronomer Meton introduced it in Athens for purely astronomical purposes about 70 years later in 432 B.C.'

RGD

I never lose my contempt for the ignorant and illogical, no.

First, you said ten kingdoms not tribes. Second, these ten tribes did not conquer Rome - as indicated, several of them were in place long before the empire fell in the west and were already recognized by the Romans.

Pretty word, but you should try to address the actual errors in your post first.

The official date would be 476 A. D. with the deposition of Romulus Augustus: see here.

No. There were dozens of tribes that took place at various times in settling and conquering Roman territory. The actual incident that eliminated the 'empire' was a soldier's mutiny of an amalgam of tribes in Italy serving as troops.
Nope. The Ostrogoths and Vandals were wiped out by the Byzantines: the Vandals by Belisarius, a general of Justinian; and the Ostrogoths by Narses, another general of Justinian and Belisarius' successor. And the Heruli... from here.

That didn't even make sense, Jim. I can find lots of verification that you're completely wrong.... but is that what you really want?

Jim Larmore

I guess things have changed since I was here last. Before you could't curse on this forum. Deterioration?

You may consider it to be B.S. But there are millions who don't . History does verify what I have said and your rhetorical assault on what I have posted won't change that.