hatsoff

You've asked a theological question here, and regardless of the forum, it is answerable only from a Christian perspective.

Unless you consider personal enjoyment an "agenda," I have none. I just like to discuss these things seriously. For whatever reason, I find a lot of Christian subjects engaging.

What's your "agenda"? To debunk Christianity? If so, you might as well give up now.

Toto

This is not true. Theology does not require a Christian perspective. Atheism is not a religion but it is a theological stance.

The only reason to "give up now" would be that it's been done before.

It's one thing to find Christian subjects of interest. It's quite another to be uncritical about Christian rationalizations for their religion.

Johnny Skeptic

But some Christians, usually fundamentalist Christians, use secular arguments to try to reasonably prove that Jesus was born in Bethlehem. That is what I wish to debate, not theological questions. All religions have theological questions. What is the point of debating a "faith only" argument with the followers of any religion. That is not the purpose of this forum.

hatsoff

His question dealt with Christian theology. It's a Christian question, best answerable by a Christian response.

Sorry, no.

And another still to ask a Christian question and refuse to hear the Christian answer.

hatsoff

If that's what you want to talk about, by all means don't let me stop you. But this thread, as far as I can tell, is about whether or not Micah's prophecies were fulfilled by Jesus--a distinctly Christian topic. If you want to discuss it from a non-Christian perspective, the answer is very simple: Micah could not possibly have been talking about Jesus, because he had no idea Jesus would ever exist. There; done.

Johnny Skeptic

Regarding Christians who use secular arguments to try to reasonably prove that Micah 5:2 refers to Jesus, and that Jesus was born in Bethlehem (I once had a long debate with a fundamentalist Christian at the Theology Web who used exclusively secular arguments to try to reasonably prove that Jesus was born in Bethlehem.), it is most certainly not done. As I said, "What is the point of debating a 'faith only' argument with the followers of any religion?" All of the "faith only" arguments of all religions are equally valid, and are equally useless in debates.

Toto

Are you saying that non-Christians cannot challenge the logic and arugments used by Christians? This is a very strange argument.

Then why should one not try to debunk Christianity?

we are not refusing the hear the Christian answer, but it seems that you are refusing to consider the non-Christian response.