Toto

These are factors that any historian of any era has to consider. I'm not sure what the point is here.

aa5874

The writings of Justin Martyr are a "gold mine". They paint a picture that show that the Jesus story was indeed a Myth Fable.

The ONLY "record" of Jesus and the Apostles are found in the Memoirs of the Apostles and AFTER the supposed ascension all the characters VANISH without a trace.

Justin Martyr has NO idea of the Apostles post-ascension activities except that they preached the Gospel to every race of men but that is PRECISELY what the resurrected Jesus commissioned the disciples to do so Justin must have PRESUMED that the disciples did so.

Justin Martyr told NO-ONE about the day of Pentecost, the Most significant day for the supposed Apostles because it was on that day the Apostles and disciples were EMPOWERED by the Holy Ghost to preached the Gospel by talking in OTHER Tongues and to perform miracles.

In Justin's writings Jesus ascended during the time of Pilate 26-37 CE and it is followed by a BIG BLACK HOLE.

Nothing is known of the post-ascension Apostles--they VANISHED without a trace.

That is EXACTLY what I expected if the Jesus story was a Myth Fable.

But, my expectations are out done by Justin. After 120 years, Justin can hardly find any one who believes the Jesus story.

Justin knows about the LEADERS of Heretics but did NOT name any bishop of any Church from c 36 CE to about 150 CE.

Justin wrote about Simon Magus, Menander, Marcian, Saturnilus, Basilides, Valentinus, Marcion, the Stoics, the Pythagoreans, Platonists, Peripatetics, Theoretics, but NO Apostles-No Paul--No Luke--No Barnabas--No Ignatius--No Clement--No Polycarp.

There is NOTHING but a 120 year Big Black Hole.

This is PRECISELY what I expected if the Jesus story was a Myth fable.

And, even more delightful, the DATED evidence CONFIRMS the Big Black hole.

Acts of the Apostles and the Pauline letters have NOT been DATED by Paleograhy or scientific means to any time in the 1st century and before c 70 CE.

There was NEVER any Paul or Acts--they were INVENTED.

TedM

Have you done a thorough investigation of the claimed references to Paul's epsitles by Justin?:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Justin_Martyr

Clearly this wiki reference contradicts your claims about Justin and Paul.

I'd like to see your research summary of each of the references, and why you reject them as authentic, or as really existing. Inquiring minds would like to know.

Duvduv

Ted, was "Justin's" references to "Paul" some big secret or under a security clearance to prevent the name and epistles from being explicitly mentioned? Do we need Sherlock Holmes to figure out why this was the case?

Really......

TedM

take it up with the wiki guy. I'm just the messenger. He claims 'distinct' references are made. To me that does not imply anything secretive or confusing.

aa5874

If you had done any research you would have IMMEDIATELY recognised that the article is in ERROR.

There are NO "distinct references" to Paul or any Pauline letters--NONE--ZERO--NIL.

Just, PLEASE, GO and do some research for yourself.

Justin Martyr DISTINCTLY mentioned the Memoirs of the Apostles, The Acts of Pontius Pilate and Revelation by John.

1. When Justin Martyr wrote about the Ritual of the Eucharist he DISTINCTLY REFERENCED the Memoirs of the Apostles and Mithraism--NOT the Pauline letters.

First Apology LXVI
The Ritual of the Eucharist was practised in the Mysteries of Mithras and also found in the Memoirs called Gospels--There was NO rerefence to the Pauline letters.

Again, Please just go and some reseach for yourself.

2. Justin Martyr Told us that the Memoirs of the Apostles were READ in the Churches on Sundays--NO references to the Pauline letters.

First Apology LXVII Justin Martyr wrote NOTHING--NIL--ZERO of Pauline letters in the Churches and made NO reference to them.

3. The supposed resurrection is mentioned by Justin and it does NOT make any references to the Pauline post-resurrection claim that Over 500 people saw Jesus.

Dialogue with Trypho CVII 4. Justin Martyr mentioned that JOHN had Revelations ----NOT Paul.

Dialogue with Trypho LXXXI

TedM

This is all you had to say--the rest of your post is not relevant to the issue.

Maybe someone else can chime in--are there references in Justin's work to Paul's epistles or not? Is the wiki guy in error? Or is aa in error? Do some think there ARE references--if so what is the reason others reject them?

aa5874

Again, just please go and do some research because you say NOTHING.

You cannot contradict me in any way.

I have DONE RESEARCH and tell you that the article is in error.

There is ZERO-NOTHING--NONE--NIL--NO Distinct references to the Pauline letters or Paul in the writings attributed to Justin Martyr.

Justin DISTINCTLY referenced the Memoirs of the Apostles called Gospels, the Acts of Pontius Pilate and Revelation by John.

The events at the crucifixion were found in the Acts of Pontius Pilate--Not the Pauline writings.

First Apology XXXV

Duvduv

Why are some folks hanging on with dear life to the legend of a guy named Justin allegedly living and writing in the second century? Is it an article of some faith or something?

aa5874

Who do you hang on to??? Irenaeus, Eusebius, Acts of the Apostles, the Pauline writings, the Nicene Creed???