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Old 02-29-2008, 10:52 PM   #1
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Default Matthew 24: 3-33: All the Proof You Need

And as he sat upon the mount of Olives, the disciples came unto him privately, saying, Tell us, when shall these things be? and what shall be the sign of thy coming, and of the end of the world?

4And Jesus answered and said unto them, Take heed that no man deceive you.

5For many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and shall deceive many.

6And ye shall hear of wars and rumours of wars: see that ye be not troubled: for all these things must come to pass, but the end is not yet.

7For nation shall rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom: and there shall be famines, and pestilences, and earthquakes, in divers places.

8All these are the beginning of sorrows.

9Then shall they deliver you up to be afflicted, and shall kill you: and ye shall be hated of all nations for my name's sake.

10And then shall many be offended, and shall betray one another, and shall hate one another.

11And many false prophets shall rise, and shall deceive many.

12And because iniquity shall abound, the love of many shall wax cold.

13But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved.

14And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come.

15When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand

16Then let them which be in Judaea flee into the mountains:

17Let him which is on the housetop not come down to take any thing out of his house:

18Neither let him which is in the field return back to take his clothes.

19And woe unto them that are with child, and to them that give suck in those days!

20But pray ye that your flight be not in the winter, neither on the sabbath day:

21For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.

22And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened.

23Then if any man shall say unto you, Lo, here is Christ, or there; believe it not.

24For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect.

25Behold, I have told you before.

26Wherefore if they shall say unto you, Behold, he is in the desert; go not forth: behold, he is in the secret chambers; believe it not.

27For as the lightning cometh out of the east, and shineth even unto the west; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.

28For wheresoever the carcase is, there will the eagles be gathered together.

29Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:

30And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.

31And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.

32Now learn a parable of the fig tree; When his branch is yet tender, and putteth forth leaves, ye know that summer is nigh:

33So likewise ye, when ye shall see all these things, know that it is near, even at the doors.

Uncanny accuracy. We can see ALL THESE THINGS apply to today's world but NONE of it applied to Jesus' time.

Not bad for a "random non-existent dumb 1st century jewish guy", huh?
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This reminds me of those horoscopes that can be found in any newspaper on any day of the week: so preposterously vague that it can apply to any situation at any time in the history of the world.
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I see potential for this one to be more limpet-like in his/her zeal for prophecy than either arnoldo or sugarhitman.


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Not bad for a "random non-existent dumb 1st century jewish guy", huh?
all humbug, spread by Holding and his henchmen.

The Synoptics are forgeries from the second century, especially these lines refer to the rebellion of Shimeon bar Kohbah.
They have been written after the facts.

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The Synoptics are forgeries from the second century
In what way are these pseudonymous works "forgeries"?


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In what way are these pseudonymous works "forgeries"?
they deliberately corrupt and distort pre-canonical gospels

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All the proof? Am I missing something? :banghead:
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And what part of "Your Bible is historically errant, archeologically undependable and internally inconsistent as a mythology" should we discard in order to believe you screed?

Using the Bible to prove the Bible just doesn't work.
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In what way are these pseudonymous works "forgeries"?
they deliberately corrupt and distort pre-canonical gospels
Even if that be true, "forgery" is plainly the wrong word. Improving texts was a natural and logical thing for a religionist to do. If the text is wrong, in that it doesn't reflect the religion as you understand it, it is only obvious that you fix it. Forgery even conveys the wrong intent. There would be no desire to deceive anyone, but to give them the true religion. It's all in the eye of the religionist.


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15When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand


28For wheresoever the carcase is, there will the eagles be gathered together.

29Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and [B]the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven,

Uncanny accuracy. We can see ALL THESE THINGS apply to today's world but NONE of it applied to Jesus' time.

Not bad for a "random non-existent dumb 1st century jewish guy", huh?
Uncanny is one of the words used to express my emotions after reading this and many other of your postings.

The moon not giving light could that be an eclipse because we recently experienced one:huh: Obviously there were no occuring say 500 years ago.

And just where do the stars fall when they leave the heavens.

And are eagles carrion eaters?
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