BDS

Why bother?

Sven

Yes, I'm aware of this. What I question is the "dozens of manuscript" which hatsoff is claiming.

TySixtus

Fair enough.


Really? I thought I wrote it in English. And it's only a few sentences...

Wow. When in doubt, ad hom!

Have a nice day. We're done. :wave:

Ty

Zeichman

Ty, I will second the remark that I have no idea what you were talking about in your post, and that you did not address the claim of significance as it seems that BDS implied.

TySixtus

BDS' claim was the Ressurection was significant whether or not it happened.

I claimed this was wrong. If the Ressurection never happened, it is insignificant. The writings and the mythology that have popped up around the Ressurection idea have certainly been significant, but the Ressurection could not be significant if it never happened. It is impossible for events that never took place to have significance.

What is possible is for people supposedly describing these events to write mythology that is significant. The point I'm trying to make is the difference between the Ressurection, and the writings about it.

And this is perfect example of people saying "Well, it doesn't matter if it happened or not!" It most certainly does matter. As I alluded to in my post, Christianity is based on the nonsensical idea of Jesus rising from the dead. Finding out if this actually happened does matter. If it is not the case, a huge amount of Christian theology is based on a lie, thereby discrediting it.

Ty

Amaleq13

Why did you bother to point out what you considered to be false in this thread?

Tigers!

Gravity would also account for the outpouring of the blood & water.

Tigers!

It's about as startling as the lack of verifiable, scientific evidence that you are who you say you are. All I have are electron beams on a screen that purport to come from someone claiming to be you. You could be one of the moderators for all I know (or Elvis implanting thoughts into my head).

However I take it on trust (dare I say it? Faith) that you are who you claim to be. I have no reason (as of right now) to doubt you or your existence. I am prevented by the limitations of time & space from investigating your existence/claims. Those limitations do not necessarily imply that you are lying or that you do not exist.
History is unfortunately full of stories that we either accept or reject based upon nothing more than our willingness or not to believe the author(s).:thumbs:

hatsoff

That would be one of his most glaring mistakes, yes. I suppose he's less reliable than I had thought.

BDS

As I implied in my last post, Ty, I think events that never happened CAN be “significant�, because the idea of such unreal events can “signify� something. That is, they can “have or express a meaning�. The Resurrection “has or expresses a meaning� whether or not it actually occurred. In fact, most of us agree that it did NOT actually occur, but that it “has or expresses a meaning�.

The “significance� (i.e. meaning) of the Resurrection exists whether or not Jesus was actually raised from the dead.

In addition, I think the notion that “a huge amount of Christian theology is based on a lie� is incorrect. One need not think of mythology as “historically accurate� or “true� to recognize that it is not necessarily a “lie�. If (as you suggest in your OP) there is little hard evidence for the Resurrection, there is less hard evidence that stories about it are “lies�. In general, I think it is naïve to think myths are “lies� (i.e. intentional falsehoods intended to deceive). Nor do I think they are “fictions� (i.e. intentional falsehoods not intended to deceive). Although some myths probably are lies (Joseph Smith comes to mind), it’s a stretch to claim there is evidence that reports of the Resurrection are.