TySixtus

Christians, have you considered this?

I just got done reading a thread on it, and the lack of provided evidence was simply breathtaking.

Do you guys understand that people lie? And do you understand that they do it a lot, especially back in those days before science, when people believed in all sorts of goofy shit for which there was no evidence?

I mean, seriously consider the severe, utter lack of evidence. Not a shred. Also keep in the mind sheer nonsensical idea of someone rising from the dead.

Has it ever occured to you guys that it's all made up?

I'm just stunned, here.

Ty

hatsoff

Don't confuse lack of proof for lack of evidence.

TySixtus

I haven't confused a thing. There's not even any evidence that the Ressurection happened. At least, no credible evidence. Evidence that would stand up to some people with half a brain...

Mods, could someone move this to GRD? I posted it in the wrong place.

Ty

Doug Shaver

No kidding? Are you under the impression that it is unusual for human beings to believe things that aren't true?

Or are you stunned by the discovery that something that seems quite obvious to you is not the least bit obvious to a great many other people?

hatsoff

Sure there is. We have dozens of texts from the first century.

TySixtus

We've also got texts claiming Zeus turned himself into a bull to impregnate women.

Are you treating them in the same fashion?

Also, we're talking about someone rising from the dead. Am I the only one who thinks this is total, utter bullshit?

Ty

hatsoff

I didn't say the texts prove the Resurrection happened. They are merely a evidence to that effect. And, yes, it is true that they fail to persuade an objective observer.

However, Christians don't believe in the Resurrection because of evidence. They have faith.

Amaleq13

Are you sure? I have hard time imagining a discussion of the resurrection without a lot of Bible references.

Gracchus

Four different accounts of the "resurrection" differ in significant details about who was there and what they saw. It doesn't seem to be reliably verified.

:wave:

mikem

The texts are evidence of people's BELIEF in the Resurrection, not of the Resurrection itself.

I am not sure what you mean by your last statement. Are you saying that faith is an alternative route to knowledge? Now THAT would require a separate thread! If you are saying that you believe what you believe, well that's OK, but in that case I wouldn't go wasting your own or anyone's time on this thread, because what we are interested in is rational argument, not confessions of faith.

Another thing that you might consider is that the Resurrection means different things to different Xtians. For many, it involves the physical resucitation of a several day old corpse, for others, (including St Paul apparently)- it was a "spiritual resurrection", which may or may not have involved a physical body.

So if you are going to debate this, you need to clarify your terms.