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Clivedurdle · 04-18-2013, 02:50 AM

Phrase by commentator on Vridar, allegedly from dead sea scrolls.

http://vridar.wordpress.com/2013/04/...ight-to-pella/

Quote:

...Margaret Barker (The Great Angel: A Study of Israel’s Second God):

But in these early centuries there were non-Christian Jews who believed in God’s Word, Wisdom, or even Son as a “second God,” while there were believers in Jesus who insisted that the three persons of the Trinity were only names for different manifestations of one person. (p. 90)

Is the New Testament an idea from before the time of Pilate?

mountainman · 04-29-2013, 05:24 PM

Two phrases from NHC 6.1 "The Acts of Peter and the Twelve Apostles"

Quote:

Originally Posted by TAOPATTA

We agreed to fulfill the ministry to which the Lord appointed us.

And we made a covenant with each other.

If there was already a covenant in place, then why did the apostles find it necessary to make another covenant?

And why was this covenant not with God or Jesus, but with each other?

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Toto · 04-29-2013, 09:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mountainman

Two phrases from NHC 6.1 "The Acts of Peter and the Twelve Apostles"

Quote:

Originally Posted by TAOPATTA

We agreed to fulfill the ministry to which the Lord appointed us.

And we made a covenant with each other.

If there was already a covenant in place, then why did the apostles find it necessary to make another covenant?

And why was this covenant not with God or Jesus, but with each other?

A covenant is just an agreement. The covenant that they made with each other was probably to support each other - a typical thing when three people start on an adventure.

There are some who see a deeper meaning.

From here

(Chapter 13 of Robert Drews online "COURSEBOOK: JUDAISM, CHRISTIANITY AND ISLAM, TO THE BEGINNINGS OF MODERN CIVILIZATION" of Vanderbilt University.)

Quote:

Two very different directions taken in the generation after the destruction of the Jerusalem temple led to the dramatic growth of two distinct religions: New Covenant Christianity and rabbinic Judaism. Although they had a common heritage these two religions differed widely not only from each other but also from the religion of Judaea during the Second Temple period. Rabbinic Judaism devoted itself fervently to the torah, in the belief that Adonai had punished Judaea because its people had been too lax in following his law. New Covenant Christians, contrarily, believed that God had ordained the destruction of the temple to make way for the parousia of Jesus the Christ and the End of Time. That religiosity and superstitious fanaticism were the cause of the disaster did not occur to either camp. A small minority of Judaeans, however, followed a third course in the aftermath of 70: these people gave up entirely on Adonai, his covenants, and the temporal world, and formulated - on the authority, they claimed, of Jesus the Christ - a mythical explanation of reality that scholars call “Gnosticism.”

This would explain why the covenant was with their fellow men, not with YHWH or Jesus.

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