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Old 04-10-2009, 03:45 PM   #1
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I'd like to know what the current scholarly opinion is on this strange coincidence:

Acts 9:32-43
Peter brings a woman back to life. He says 'Tabitha, get up'.

Jesus had said (Mark 5:41), 'Talitha [little girl], get up.'

This is a strange coincidence. 'I smell a rat.'

(Also Peter is said to kneel by Tabitha's bedside - did Jews kneel to pray -or stand?)
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I'd like to know what the current scholarly opinion is on this strange coincidence:

Acts 9:32-43
Peter brings a woman back to life. He says 'Tabitha, get up'.

Jesus had said (Mark 5:41), 'Talitha [little girl], get up.'
Talitha koum is what Jesus says in Mark v. 41. It's an Aramaic expression which Mark's readers would likely have not understood, which is why he translates it for them (korasion soi lego egeire = girl, to you, I say, arise). They're just words-of-power, empowered by their obscurity. It's like saying "abracadabra."

On the other hand, Acts says nothing of the sort, but has a woman named "Tabitha" instructed to "rise." There's no foreign expression, but the name is so very close to "talitha" that it's an unmistakable echo. Tabitha anastethi vs. talitha koum. It's undoubtedly intended to be a case of Peter's deeds reminding us of Jesus' own, to show that he has apostolic authority and follows in the footsteps of his teacher.

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Joppa has changed to Jaffa
Talitha has changed Tabitha.
Something smells fishy
and it ain't just the Billingsgate odour
on Peter's hands.
What's going on here.

Well, it's Mark's Gospel
that preserves those Aramaic words
Talitha cum.
Commentators claim that Luke
kept that detail on file,
as it were,
and then recast the miracle
and made Peter rather than Jesus the star of the show.
Somehow along the way
Talitha,
Aramaic for little girl
was changed to Tabitha,
Aramaic for gazelle,
a popular girl's name
(and Cumbrian for kitten!),
flagging up the message
that the same miracles that Jesus performed
can be performed by Peter,
and by implication the rest of the Church
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It may be just coincidence that Peter's words to her in verse 40, "Tabitha, get up!" (Ταβειθα ἀνάστηθι), are similar to the "talitha kum" phrase used by Jesus.
Coincidence? I think not. There are too many parallels besides the name. There is a crowd of people weeping, the healer moves them outside, and says similar words. And this follows a previous story in which Peter raises a paralytic, just like Jesus did.

Both of these miracles seem to be related to 2 Kings 4, where Elisha revives a dead child after praying over him (except that Jesus never prays in public)
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It may be just coincidence that Peter's words to her in verse 40, "Tabitha, get up!" (Ταβειθα ἀνάστηθι), are similar to the "talitha kum" phrase used by Jesus.
Coincidence? I think not. There are too many parallels besides the name. There is a crowd of people weeping, the healer moves them outside, and says similar words. And this follows a previous story in which Peter raises a paralytic, just like Jesus did.

Both of these miracles seem to be related to 2 Kings 4, where Elisha revives a dead child after praying over him (except that Jesus never prays in public)
Neither is it a coincidence that the Coptic apocrphyal "Acts of Peter" cast this entire sub-narrative into another form where Peter heals the multitudes but point-blank refuses to heal his own daughter on the basis that:

then he looked unto his daughter and said to her:
Raise thyself up from thy place,

...[...]...

Go unto thy place, and lay thee down
and be again in thine infirmity,
for this is expedient for me and for thee.

And the maiden went back and lay down
in her place and was as beforetime:
and the whole multitude wept,
and entreated Peter to make her whole.

But Peter said unto them:
As the Lord liveth,
this is expedient
for her and for me.
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Interesting. Acts of Peter

Peter actually tells her to get up and be healed by Jesus in front of the multitudes, and then tells her to lie down again, and her affliction returns. It seems that she was abducted by a rich man named Ptolomaeus, and Peter prayed to God to protect her; which God did by striking her with palsy. (God seemed to have limited tools at His disposal for such an omnipotent Being.) So Peter's daughter came home, and the rich man repented, and up and died, leaving all of his land to the daughter.
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Interesting. Acts of Peter

Peter actually tells her to get up and be healed by Jesus in front of the multitudes, and then tells her to lie down again, and her affliction returns. It seems that she was abducted by a rich man named Ptolomaeus, and Peter prayed to God to protect her; which God did by striking her with palsy. (God seemed to have limited tools at His disposal for such an omnipotent Being.) So Peter's daughter came home, and the rich man repented, and up and died, leaving all of his land to the daughter.

The author of the coptic tractate seems to suggest that

1) it was more expedient to have God deliver a stroke than to deliver sex,
2) it was more expedient that the daughter remain afflicted lest the grant
from the rich man become null and void due to her being healed.
3) it was more expedient to have Peter keep the revenue from the land.

Who has gnosis of the the mischievous and mimic-intent of the gnostic apocryphal author?
Behind many if not all the atomic sub-narratives within the many apocrypha
stand their canonical atomic sub-narrative sources,
just like the above example. We do not yet have a map.
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