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I used the word "claimed" because I don't have the time to look up the reference right now. It might even have been a previous article by Steve Mason.
The concept is that Christianity was the only religion defined by its beliefs. All other religions were defined by rituals and practices. But when Christianity established itself, Jews had to distinguish themselves from those upstarts because they didn't share those beliefs. |
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I have posted here about this huge change from one takes up the gods of the town you are in to religion defining yourself.
Judaism may be a back story by xians to give themselves legitimacy. Might fire brigades and voluntary organisations be the real roots of xianity? http://www.freeratio.org/showthread.php?t=265803 Quote:
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christians invent Judaism, paganism and christianism
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Steve Mason would be distinguishing between IOUDAIOS (Natives of Judea, members of the Jewish EQNOS, something pertaining to Jews) and IOUDAISMOS (The Jewish way of life as represented in their beliefs and practices Judaism, Jewish religion).
In the first case, when an author was referring to particulars of the worship or special customs of the Jews, he would have to somehow specify this in the sentence. What Mason is saying is that Christians latched onto the word IOUDAISMOS from 2 & 4 Maccabees, apparently a not very often used word, and started to used it extensively. There is a movement going on for several years to emphasize that ancients of the 1st century CE didn't think of "religion" (a belief system) but of particulars of practice that distinguished someones beliefs. Its a "fine" difference between the two, maybe too fine, if you ask me. It may only be that Christians popularized that latter word because you could indicate all the practices of the Jews in one word rather than a sentence. It is true that religio licita only shows up in the late 2nd or arly 3rd century. Josephus said (Antiquities 14.211-28) that Julius Caesar ruled that members of the Jewish ethnos could assemble in each town to practice their peculiar form of worship unmolested by the authorities, who might normally shut down assemblies like that as illegal voluntary associations. I think it is probably true, or Josephus' patrons (At first Vespasian, then Titus but by the time of Antiquities it would be Epaphroditus, an influental freedman of the Flavian household) wouldn't have tolerated him claiming a privilige for Jews that they did not in fact have. DCH Quote:
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Photius on Philostorgius on the Books of the Maccabees
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Ruin of Rome notes it to be a critical turning point, not too fine a point at all |
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