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Old 06-13-2011, 03:30 PM   #1
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Question off topic posts split from Explaining Christianity without Jesus

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What has always been a hindrance for me in accepting the non-historical Jesus position—because I really do not care one way or the other whether there was a Jesus or not—is the lack of explanation I see given by ahistoricists for certain phenomena that an historical Jesus well explains....
Of course you do care and that is PRECISELY why you have started this thread. It is a fallacy that HJ explans anything. HJ is a presumption.

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...I've done some research on the matter and haven't been able to find any straight-forward and coherent explanation offered in place of the historical Jesus proposition to explain these phenomena.....
Well, there is NO feasible explanation nor credible historical sources for the historical Jesus. The HJ theory is based on the Premise that the Jesus story was a KNOWN LIE, that is, Jesus was publicly known to be a man with a human father and was worshiped as a God by Jews which is a CAPITAL Crime punishable by death under Jewish Law.

Even in the Jesus story he was condemned to be guilty of death for Blasphemy and all his disciples ABANDONED him. His disciple Peter DENIED ever knowing or associated with Jesus.

This should have been the end of the supposed "Historical Jesus".

There is NO explanation how a supposed BLASPHEMER would have been worshiped as a God by the very people who caused him to be executed and who do NOT worship men as Gods.

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..Anyway, I hope to see some really good stuff that might help me understand the ahistorical position. Let the explanations roll in!

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The ahistorical position is rather easy to understand. It is NOT complex at all. Jesus was just a story that was BELIEVED to be true written sometime in the 2nd century.

All the evidence is in place for the ahistorical Jesus.

1. No author of the ENTIRE Canon claimed they actually MET or personally interacted with the historical Jesus anywhere on earth.

2. "Paul" a supposed contemporary of Jesus did NOT even write that he REGRETED he did NOT MEET the historical Jesus but boasted that he and over 500 people SAW the NON-historical Jesus.

3. The authors of the NT Canon described Jesus as the Child of a Holy Ghost, the Word that was God, the Creator of heaven and earth and the FIRSTBORN of the DEAD.

4.In the NT Jesus ACTED as a MYTH and PARTICIPATED in NON-historical events.

5. In the NT, Incredibly Jesus was WITNESSED by his OWN disciples as PARTICIPANTS in events that NEVER happened.

6. In the NT, the disciples ACTUALLY saw Jesus WALK on water, Transfigure, EAT FISH in their presence after he was supposed to be dead and WITNESSED Jesus going through the clouds.

7. According to "Paul" Jesus MUST be RAISED from the dead for SALVATION.

8 . There is NO external credible historical source of antiquity that support the historical Jesus


It is clear that the Jesus story could have ONLY been BELIEVED and that a human Jesus DESTROYS the CHRISTIAN Faith.

The Jesus cult called Christians ONLY needed to BELIEVE Jesus existed as he was DESCRIBED in the NT.

Christians today as is evident do NOT really NEED Jesus they JUST NEED TO BELIEVE the story.
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Christians today as is evident do NOT really NEED Jesus they JUST NEED TO BELIEVE the story.

Well, aa, they certainly have no need of his socialist/pacifist doctrine which many of them find so absurd, do they? Why profess to follow a historical moral teacher whose teachings are considered anathema by his allegedly most ardent supporters?
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