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Daniel · 11-17-2004, 06:04 PM

Are there any prophecies contained in the bible that were fulfilled and are there any that are clearly false?

rlogan · 11-18-2004, 03:57 AM

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Are there any prophecies contained in the bible that were fulfilled and are there any that are clearly false?

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Originally Posted by Daniel

Are there any prophecies contained in the bible that were fulfilled and are there any that are clearly false?

hi Daniel. Welcome.

The main area of concern would be those from the Hebrwe Bible (old testament) purportedly fulfilled by Jesus. Google away and you will find sites that claim hundreds, or more than a thousand. There are many, many sites for example:

http://biblia.com/jesusbible/types.htm

or

http://biblia.com/jesusbible/prophecies.htm

Some more general prophesies here:

http://100prophecies.org/

Toto provided a link to this in another thread you will find interesting though, as it discusses basically how sloppy the adherents are in proclaiming fulfillment:

http://www.str.com.br/English/Atheos/messiah.htm

I am of the belief that the gospels were constructed by "mining" the Hebrew Bible for what to say about the life of the mythical Jesus. We have discussed many times on these threads related topics. But for now, check out the last link...

Chris Weimer · 11-18-2004, 04:02 AM

I'm especially fond of the 4th-5th paragraph of the last link... :notworthy

may · 12-05-2004, 08:42 AM

Hi,there are lots of them , these are just a few ,

The fall of tyre .
Cyrus and the fall of babylon.
medo- persia and Greece
The destruction of Jerusalem.
1914The turning point in history.
A people who fulfill prophecy.
:thumbs: may

spin · 12-05-2004, 10:31 AM

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Hi,there are lots of them , these are just a few ,

The fall of tyre .
Cyrus and the fall of babylon.
medo- persia and Greece
The destruction of Jerusalem.
1914The turning point in history.
A people who fulfill prophecy.
:thumbs: may

If you'd like to look at any of these, why not cite the "prophecies" you are using and show when the texts you cite were written...

You might also like to weigh up the significance of generically predicting the fall of Babylon or Greece. This is like me predicting the fall of America. It's bound to happen, but what's the big deal about such a prediction? Empires fall.

spin

may · 12-05-2004, 10:57 AM

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Medo-Persia and Greece

While Babylon was still a world power the Bible foretold its conquest by a symbolic two-horned ram, representing “the kings of Media and Persia.�? (Daniel 8:20) As foretold, Medo-Persia became the next world power when it conquered Babylon in 539B.C.E. In time, however, “a male of the goats,�? identified as Greece, “proceeded to strike down the ram and to break its two horns.�? (Daniel 8:1-7) This was in 332B.C.E. when Greece defeated Medo-Persia and became the new world power.

Note what was foretold to follow: “And the male of the goats, for its part, put on great airs to an extreme; but as soon as it became mighty, the great horn was broken, and there proceeded to come up conspicuously four instead of it.�? (Daniel 8:8) What does this mean? The Bible explains: “The hairy he-goat stands for the king of Greece; and as for the great horn that was between its eyes, it stands for the first king. And that one having been broken, so that there were four that finally stood up instead of it, there are four kingdoms from his nation that will stand up, but not with his power.�?—Daniel 8:21,22.

History shows that this “king of Greece�? was Alexander the Great. But after his death in 323B.C.E., his empire was eventually split up among four generals—Seleucus Nicator, Cassander, Ptolemy Lagus and Lysimachus. Just as the Bible had foretold, “there were four that finally stood up instead.�? Yet, as also foretold, none of these ever had the power that Alexander had. Thus, more than 200years after this prophecy was recorded, it began to be fulfilled—another striking confirmation of the Bible’s inspiration!

edited by mod to add:

This was copied from
http://hufffamily.com/html/054_Build...an_s_Maker.htm

All public talk references based on literature published by
the Watchtower Bible and Tract Society of New York, Inc.

hufffamily.com hosts a "theocratic ministry school" and the world headquarters of the Jehovah's Witnesses.

spin · 12-05-2004, 11:10 AM

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Medo-Persia and Greece
Daniel 8:1-7.. Daniel 8:8.. Daniel 8:21,22.

Now, when was Daniel written?

I have argued here that the visions (7-12) were written just before Antiochus IV's death in about 164 BCE as they don't know how he died, though 11 predicts a (wrong) death for Antiochus.

Such a date is consistent with the historical "errors" in the Daniel text regarding a "Darius the Mede" and Belshazzar being the son of Nebuchadnezzar, etc.

So, a dating of Daniel's visions is called for, as I did ask for a dating of the texts you intended to cite. I argue that the so-called prophecies of Daniel are mainly vaticinium ex eventu (after the event). Where they are not, they are wrong.

spin

Chili · 12-05-2004, 11:36 AM

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Medo-Persia and Greece

While Babylon was still a world power the Bible foretold its conquest by a symbolic two-horned ram, representing “the kings of Media and Persia.�? (Daniel 8:20) As foretold, Medo-Persia became the next world power when it conquered Babylon in 539B.C.E. In time, however, “a male of the goats,�? identified as Greece, “proceeded to strike down the ram and to break its two horns.�? (Daniel 8:1-7) This was in 332B.C.E. when Greece defeated Medo-Persia and became the new world power.

But this is simply proof that is based on metaphysical reality. Babylon represents the ego, the two-horned ram represents the enriched ego with the two horns being the 'saved and sinner' now in charge of destiny. The male goat identified as Greece will be of 'one mind' wherein it has victory over sin and therefore can easily crush the two horned ram. The male goat with four horns is like Russia's troika with "Chichikov" in charge of it (Dead Souls)

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Note what was foretold to follow: “And the male of the goats, for its part, put on great airs to an extreme; but as soon as it became mighty, the great horn was broken, and there proceeded to come up conspicuously four instead of it.�? (Daniel 8:8) What does this mean? The Bible explains: “The hairy he-goat stands for the king of Greece; and as for the great horn that was between its eyes, it stands for the first king. And that one having been broken, so that there were four that finally stood up instead of it, there are four kingdoms from his nation that will stand up, but not with his power.�?—Daniel 8:21,22.

We have the same today. Great prodigies are performed by the beast that is taking charge but is doomed to fall because it, too, has these same two horns wherein it is divided around the globe. Sooner or later it must surrender its power to the beast that is undivided as the first king with one horn (of singular mind) an therefore has an undivided troika pulling in one direction.

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History shows that this “king of Greece�? was Alexander the Great.

And history will repeat itself because the "one-eyed God" reigns supreme.

Brian37 · 12-05-2004, 11:44 AM

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Are there any prophecies contained in the bible that were fulfilled and are there any that are clearly false?

Every generation thinks that their particular deity will reveal themselvs in their lifetime. No holy book of any label has any direct word for word translation for cell phones www, or stem cell research.

Ambigous quotes can be retrofited after the fact to suit the disires of the believer.

Living in silence is no way to practice freedom of speech

PoodleLovinPessimist · 12-05-2004, 12:37 PM

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another striking confirmation of the Bible’s inspiration!

You're taking the piss, right? Pulling our legs?

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