Apikorus

Here is an article from 1988 which redates one of the Chester Beatty papyri, p46 (much of Pauline corpus) to ca. 85 CE. Typically this papyrus is dated to ca. 200 CE. Anyone know much about this?

Toto

There was a huge go round on this two years ago.

From the archives:

P46

Dating P46

But as I recall, there was a more definitive answer later. Young Kyu Kim is a very shadowy person who seems to have disappeared after writing that 1988 article. Christian apologists love his work, but mainstream academics tend to dismiss it.

Layman

How is he a "very shadowy person"? (whatever that means).

Apparently, he is a Korean scholar who as of 2000 was a member of the Korean Institute for Theology in Europe and a Professor of Systemic Theology at the Anyang Graduate School of Theology.

http://my.dreamwiz.com/tulip7/index-eng.html

I doubt there is anything sinister about the man.

Apikorus

Yeah this Young Kyu Kim seems to have essentially zero standing as a papyrologist, along with an all but invisible research record. Seems to be pretty flaky stuff. All the authors which reference him are of course credulous evangelicals...a bad sign!

Toto

There is nothing sinister about Young Kyu Kim, but I recall an attempt was made two years ago to find him with no success.

Layman

I'm sure no expense was spared in the effort.

Steven Carr

I remember a bit of that search.

Textual criticism is a rather small field, and people know people who know people who never knew Kim.

It appears this 6 degrees of separation stuff is all nonsense...

LAYMAN
'Apparently, he is a Korean scholar who as of 2000 was a member of the Korean Institute for Theology in Europe and a Professor of Systemic Theology at the Anyang Graduate School of Theology.'



CARR


http://www.anyang.ac.kr/a.ueng/htm/stage_history.htm has a history of this University.

Which prestigious universities have web sites beginning mydreamwiz.com ?

What is the Korean Institue for Theology in Europe?


It's a small world. Apparently the President is Pastor of Duesseldorf Presbyterian Church. I lived in Duesseldorf, but I can't remember this church. Is it anything to do with the Heinrich Heine University there?

Vorkosigan

I could be wrong, but as I recall I contacted that Kim and he denied having written that article. Can someone confirm he is really the writer? In any case that article was rebutted decisively at one of the SBL meetings, as the threads showed.

Vorkosigan

Haran

As if evangelical scholars are all dishonest with their information... Some are really starting to get on my nerves with this stupid rhetoric. How about the facts?

Here is quite reputable info from an evangelical scholar, Philip Comfort:
"My observation is that most of the manuscripts from the first century that Kim sees as displaying a hand comparable to p46 show some similarities in individual letters but not in overall appearance and therefore do not belong to the same time period as p46."

Comfort lists all of the MSS that Kim used and mentions their similarities or lack thereof.

He then goes on to present MSS that display "far more similarities" to p46 and discusses them. Along with these MSS and taking into account the dates of the MSS with which p46 was discovered, Comfort concludes that "it is my opinion that p46 belongs to an era after AD 81-96 (the era posited by Kim) - perhaps the middle of the second century."

Haran

I still remember from the other thread the notion of a "shadowy Kim". It's about as laughable as calling the journal Biblica shadowy and unknown. It was implied in those other threads that this journal, where Kim presented his work on p46, was somehow obscure and of little worth. In truth, neither is shadowy, this is only rhetoric meant to poison the well... Both are reputable. Kim would not have been allowed to publish in the respected and well-used journal Biblica had he not been reputable.