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Duvduv · 04-30-2012, 08:03 PM

So texts can be mistakenly ascribed to anyone including the text of Athenagoras or Theophilus.
Yet this alleged student of Justin himself can tell us nothing about Justin or his Old Man or anything about any colleagues of this Justin. Or anything about his alleged community.
And here he allegedly writes the Greeks without even referring to the Christ of Justin. Both wrote allegedly long before Nicea about the Davidic messiah, and yet not even a single canon alludes to it or even to the crucifixion.

Am I one of the few wondering about these gaps and incongruous issues?

aa5874 · 04-30-2012, 08:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Duvduv

So texts can be mistakenly ascribed to anyone including the text of Athenagoras or Theophilus.
Yet this alleged student of Justin himself can tell us nothing about Justin or his Old Man or anything about any colleagues of this Justin. Or anything about his alleged community.
And here he allegedly writes the Greeks without even referring to the Christ of Justin. Both wrote allegedly long before Nicea about the Davidic messiah, and yet not even a single canon alludes to it or even to the crucifixion.

Am I one of the few wondering about these gaps and incongruous issues?

Your response is confusing. You refuse to name any credible sources for your arguments but continue to mention Nicea as if you trust Eusebius.

Sheshbazzar · 04-30-2012, 10:49 PM

Got rid of Jeebus, got rid of Paul, got rid of the Gospels, got rid of the Pauline Epistles, got rid of Clement.
Oh what the hell, might just as well get rid of 'ol Eusebius and Constantine too, all church made up stories.
The Christian church writers just invented the entire NT, ALL of Christian history, and all of its characters sometime after the 5th century.

GakuseiDon · 05-01-2012, 03:05 AM

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That ain't much. The Tatian character got way out in left field, and Irenaeus couldn't even tell us why a mere 30 years earlier Justin didn't know about the canonical texts that Irenaeus himself knew all about........

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Tatian and Irenaeus both refer to Justin Martyr, not so long after he died. Tatian apparently knew him personally.

I'm not understanding the relevance, I'm sorry. What conclusions do you draw from that?

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04-30-2012, 08:03 PM	#41
Duvduv Veteran Member Join Date: Nov 2011 Location: USA Posts: 4,095	So texts can be mistakenly ascribed to anyone including the text of Athenagoras or Theophilus. Yet this alleged student of Justin himself can tell us nothing about Justin or his Old Man or anything about any colleagues of this Justin. Or anything about his alleged community. And here he allegedly writes the Greeks without even referring to the Christ of Justin. Both wrote allegedly long before Nicea about the Davidic messiah, and yet not even a single canon alludes to it or even to the crucifixion. Am I one of the few wondering about these gaps and incongruous issues?

04-30-2012, 10:49 PM	#43
Sheshbazzar Veteran Member Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: On the path of knowledge Posts: 8,889	Got rid of Jeebus, got rid of Paul, got rid of the Gospels, got rid of the Pauline Epistles, got rid of Clement. Oh what the hell, might just as well get rid of 'ol Eusebius and Constantine too, all church made up stories. The Christian church writers just invented the entire NT, ALL of Christian history, and all of its characters sometime after the 5th century.

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