bacht

sshh, he's testifying, on a mission from you-know-who

IBelieveInHymn

Hello, I don't see any difference between the Rapture and the Second Coming. Because in reality, they are one in the same. Rapture meaning he is taking his believers, and Second Coming means the obvious, his return.

I believe these prophecies will be fulfilled before the return of Christ. Because he set these prophecies, and he said we must watch for them to come true and then we will know the time has come, or the hour is near..

Johnny Skeptic

Message to IBelieveInHymn: Will you please show me the courtesy of telling me whether or not you intend to reply to my posts #109 and #113?

semiopen

Revelation 1:7. Behold, he cometh with clouds; and every eye shall see him, even those who pierced him.

From IBIH:

Hopefully he will not return during the Superbowl (domed stadium, etc) . There still seems to be a few technical problems getting "every eye" involved, some people would presumably watch it on the nightly news, but some poor souls don't have access to any of these devices.

I'm having a little trouble following "those who pierced him" with the dead being raised; all the dead or just those that peirced him?

What would the optimum Christian denomination be to take advantage of all this? Are there any that you would suggest avoiding?

IBelieveInHymn

Yes, Jesus said "watch for these signs, and you know the time is near".

it doesn't matter when it was written. Jesus said when you see these signs you will know the time is near. He could have been talking about 98ad or the year 2015. It's actually irrelevant when the signs are being witnessed in our lifetime.

Like I've said previously, The Christians from the past were not obviously watching for the signs.

premjan

I think they just figured that a big river like the Euphrates drying up means that Babylon would not survive. Babylon was pretty much the center of the world in those days.

IBelieveInHymn

Yes, Hopefully not during the Steelers winning their 7th Super Bowl!! And those who do not have these awesome devices to witness this event, Jesus will make sure they are not left behind. They will witness him coming in his Glory.

Actually, the Romans who pierced him were unbelievers. They became believers when Jesus' blood sprayed on their face, and a blind man was able to see again. I think this verse relates to the fact that Jesus will save anyone who believes.

I don't follow any Christian denomination. I consider myself a follower of Christ. If the time comes and I find a church then I will go but, for now, I think some modern Churches are wicked. They dwell in money and evil. And they take advantage of older people who can't make easy decisions. If you walk into a church, and you hear the preacher talking about how much the church needs new windows and doors more than he talks about God.. walk away.

show_no_mercy

LOL I think you have a couple of NT verses mixed up. Jesus' blood spraying on someone's face never cures them of blindness. And why would a blind centurion be stabbing Jesus?

spamandham

Good lord, you're all over the place. This is from *Zechariah*, not Ezekiel. All you're doing is cutting snippets from here and there completely out of context and inventing an apocalypse from it.

No, I don't need this type of 'education', any more than I need a lobotomy.

spamandham

Wow. Your version of apocalyptic lunacy is even darker than the absurdities most dispensationalists swallow - which have something like 2/3 of mankind being destroyed but then a worldwide theocracy being established in Israel, with Jesus as king.

But out of morbid curiosity, which totally unrelated Biblical passages have you stitched together to conclude that mankind must be destroyed?