Johnny Skeptic

In another thread, IBelieveInHymn said:

I request that IBelieveInHymn quote the Scriptures that say that Israel will be reborn as a nation. I also request that he (or she) explain what he meant about the Euphrates River. I also request that he explain why God predicts the future.

Consider the following Scriptures:

Genesis 17:1-8

1. And when Abram was ninety years old and nine, the Lord appeared to Abram, and said unto him, I am the Almighty God; walk before me, and be thou perfect.

2. And I will make my covenant between me and thee, and will multiply thee exceedingly.

3. And Abram fell on his face: and God talked with him, saying,

4. As for me, behold, my covenant is with thee, and thou shalt be a father of many nations.

5. Neither shall thy name any more be called Abram, but thy name shall be Abraham; for a father of many nations have I made thee.

6. And I will make thee exceeding fruitful, and I will make nations of thee, and kings shall come out of thee.

7. And I will establish my covenant between me and thee and thy seed after thee in their generations for an everlasting covenant, to be a God unto thee, and to thy seed after thee.

8. And I will give unto thee, and to thy seed after thee, the land wherein thou art a stranger, all the land of Canaan, for an everlasting possession; and I will be their God.

Obviously, the partition of Palestine in 1948 was not a fulfillment of Bible prophecy since verse 8 says "all of the land of Canaan." From 1948 through today, the Jews have not occupied and/or controlled anywhere near all of the land of Canaan, and certainly not as an everlasting possession since there is not any historical evidence that Hebrews have ever occupied all of the land of Canaan.

The words "everlasting possession" surely indicated to ancient Hebrews that their descendants would have all of Canaan as an everlasting possession for many generations in this life, certain not in a future life. If these are the end times, there will not be enough time for Jews to have Canaan as a possession for many generations, especially since Jews must have "all" of the land of Canaan in order to fulfill Genesis 17:8.

Fighting over land is entirely too human to be of any interest to a loving God.

I invite skeptics to discuss other failed Bible prophecies. One interesting failed Bible prophecy is where Ezekiel falsely claimed that God would give Egypt to Nebuchadnezzar as a compensation for his failure to defeat Tyre.

DancesWithCoffeeCups

Moving to BC&H where this has been discussed many times before

Johnny Skeptic

Months ago, the administrators decided that Bible prophecy would no longer be discussed at the Biblical Criticism and History Forum, and that it would be discussed at the General Religious Discussions Forum. Has the system been changed again?

Regardless of whether or not these issues have been discussed before, I wish to discuss them again. In addition, as you know, once a thread gets old enough, it cannot be reactivated. Further, many new readers are not aware of what happened months ago at these forums.

Sai

It is flowing now.

Why dont you admit you were wrong now, since you said it is "dry" and it isnt.

It hasnt "almost evaporated" either. The water is being diverted in Turkey and Syria, and there has been low rain fall. That is not "evaporated".

Prevent armageddon?? Didnt know biblical prophesy was something you were sposed to be able to turn off and on, but if so...

when it starts to look grim, why, just open some floodgates in Turkey and Syria and voila, ta da! Reversible armageddon.

In fact... lets think this thru. We could build a canal over to the Euphrates from somewhere, and assure it a constant supply of water. No dry up no armageddon.


So anyhow are you going to admit that you are wrong now, it isnt dry and it isnt evaporating?

Keith&Co.

Flowing Again?
It's flowing NOW! The rate has dropped, but the 'flow' of water has never, ever stopped. It's not evaporating, it's not evaporated, it's just blocked.

Oh, and:

http://www.google.com/hostednews/afp...ziUQcNToKyM_tw

IBelieveInHymn

The rebirth of Israel foretold by the Bible.

Jeremiah 30:3 For, lo, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will bring again the captivity of my people Israel and Judah, saith the LORD: and I will cause them to return to the land that I gave to their fathers, and they shall possess it.


Joel 3:1-2 For, behold, in those days, and in that time, when I shall bring again the captivity of Judah and Jerusalem, I will also gather all nations, and will bring them down into the valley of Jehoshaphat, and will plead with them there for my people and [for] my heritage Israel, whom they have scattered among the nations, and parted my land.

Ezekiel 36:24,33-35 24For I will take you from among the heathen, and gather you out of all countries, and will bring you into your own land. 33"Thus saith the Lord GOD; In the day that I shall have cleansed you from all your iniquities I will also cause you to dwell in the cities, and the wastes shall be builded. 34And the desolate land shall be tilled, whereas it lay desolate in the sight of all that passed by. 35And they shall say, This land that was desolate is become like the garden of Eden; and the waste and desolate and ruined cities are become fenced, and are inhabited.

Amos 9:11 In that day will I raise up the tabernacle of David that is fallen, and close up the breaches thereof; and I will raise up his ruins, and I will build it as in the days of old:

Moses predicted that the Jews would be scattered throughout the world and persecuted as has occurred for the last three thousand years and that one day the Jews would return to God and to the land of Israel which he promised to Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob.

In fulfillment of Bible prophecy for the End Times, this occurred on May 15, 1948 as the United Nations officially recognized Israel as a sovereign nation, a major sign of Christ's nearness.

Moderators; I don't know if my verses are considered preaching, but I must reveal Biblical verses to confirm modern-day prophecy.

Sai

ant this! http://www.kurdishglobe.net/displayA...7EFA2FC5457D50

Facts sure dont mix well with miracles and prophesy.

DancesWithCoffeeCups

Please response in this thread until the BC&H moderators can merge the two threads. Thanks!

Keith&Co.

And they wonder why we keep asking for some...


Okay, IBIH. As near as i can tell, the flow rate of the Euphrates has never been below 200 cubic meters per second. Which, by any rational standards, is not 'dry.' But we're talking The Books prophecy here, so rational is as rational does.

What would you say would be the necessary flow rate to accept that the river is not 'dried up?' 300cms? 500cms? Where will the river have to be for you to put on the 'lunatic fringe' hat?

IBelieveInHymn

The Euphrates is drying up. Strangled by the water policies of Iraq’s neighbors, Turkey and Syria; a two-year drought; and years of misuse by Iraq and its farmers, the river is significantly smaller than it was just a few years ago. Some officials worry that it could soon be half of what it is now.

The shrinking of the Euphrates, a river so crucial to the birth of civilization that the Book of Revelation prophesied its drying up as a sign of the end times. http://www.1913intel.com/2009/07/14/...-is-drying-up/

It doesn't matter how or why the Euphrates is drying up. That is irrelevant. The Book of Revelation said this day would happen, and it's happening.

I don't care if Syria or Turkey can make the Euphrates gain water once again. That doesn't matter. The point you're missing is, John said this specific river would dry up before the return of Christ. And it's happening. There is no rebuttal to this event.

The Euphrates River is literally now able to be completely "dried up" as predicted for the end times. This is because of the $32 billion Anatolia Dam Project in southeastern Turkey, which began in the late 1980's, and is projected to be completed by the year 2010.