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Old 06-19-2007, 08:09 PM   #11
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There is forgiveness in heaven,

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Forgiveness for what if there is no conscience left?
What makes you think that no conscience, or no sense of moral right/wrong exists in heaven? That there is no need for it does not suggest that it doesn’t exist, but that one has brought right/wrong to full (omni) understanding, ‘why’ it exists. That would be why they call it heaven, correct?
Sure, but the transformation includes mind, soul and body and not just the mind. It is like returning to Gen.2:25 except that now one is no longer naked to wit. It is in heaven that we come full circle with Genesis and know it as if for the first time, to say that there is no history in Genesis 1-3.

There is no stream of consciousness to be guided by by except 'the will of the father' which is your very own as a solitary individual with a mind of his own.
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Can the omni-‘s exist in hell? And if so, how so?
All omni's exist in hell but they are seen from a distance on account of the separation (the great divide) between the father and the son. Hell happens when the curtian is only partly rent wherefore the omni's are seen but we are not an intrinsic part of it (no "father and I are one"). Jesus worshippers are often troubled by this 'remote near-ness' (is that English?) and therefore cling to the law to increase their justifiaction as "saved sinner."
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And? Do you have a problem with protecting an image or ego, and if so whose? Do you think it should be slain? And if so which one? Mine? Your’s? Someone else’s? How would we go about that, the slaying that is? Are we each allowed our own image, and if so what would be the purpose of separate images? Combined images?
The ego must be crucified but that is never mine do do. The ego is good and is very good but it holds the second image (persona) that must be crucified to set our true nature free, which is called Christ in Christendom.

I like the ego but the fact remains that we cannot take it with us except as crucified and raised into the upper room where it is placed subservient to our intuition, which no longer is intuit because we first took up residence there and re-called the diciples. They would be our ousia's, or eidetic images that were indeed created by our ego . . . wherefore "good works' is important that "the Emperor has new clothes" when he gets there.
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Without an image, love has nothing to protect, hence no guilt? Which world is that in? The only way one can have no guilt is to have nothing? If they have no guilt what do they have? Iow’s what replaced the guilt, if nothing can’t be conceived to exist?
That is why "to be is not to be."

Freedom replaced guilt: "It was for Liberty that Chirst freed us."

The difference between Agape and Philia or Eros is that it is never self serving because it has no self when it is the self.
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If opposites do not exist, what exists, likeness?
The omni's of which virtues are extractions and these in turn have their own opposites such as in love and hate, pleasure and pain, health and sickess etc.
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Comes from the heart?
that's what they say.
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Where do you think egos arise, if egos desire?
In the conscious mind which is just outside of Eden, silly, and they desire only because they are just outside of Eden. They call it the TOK whereover Eve presides while Mary is in the TOL from where she is strikes at Eve to keep her looking for greater things so they may increase the wisdom and also enhance the beauty of the TOL .
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Enduring? Sounds painful, hardened. If I put my hand on a hot stove top and it is painful, do you think I should ‘keep’ it there, love the pain all the way, for the lesson it teaches me? If opposites do not exist, does change?
It is called "the silent ache of heaven."
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What does it mean to say like attracts like, and or opposites attract? What is forgiveness?
Let’s see, what can I use as an analogy? I don’t like to cook, you don’t like baby peas, baby carrots, baby this, baby that.................... If you lived in my house you wouldn’t have to eat baby peas, baby carrots, baby this or baby that.......lie attracts like, correct.........of course you might starve. Is there a solution to ‘I don’t like to cook, and ‘you don’t like what’s on the menu? ’Yes, we can eat out. I loooooooove to eat out. Of course we now have a bigger problem........eating out costs money. Show me the money! [/quote]

I love to cook, hate baby food and I do not like eating out, I think.
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But then again, maybe I'm wrong, sick? In which case you're gonna help me out correct?
It is so easy to forgive if happiness is prior to us by nature.
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Old 06-20-2007, 06:59 PM   #12
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I love to cook, hate baby food and I do not like eating out, I think.
new age, new generation chili............it doesn't matter what you love.

I didn't ask you about the truth. Truth is subjective. I want the 'facts; chili, what's in your wallet? It's all about logic, correct?
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I love to cook, hate baby food and I do not like eating out, I think.
new age, new generation chili............it doesn't matter what you love.

I didn't ask you about the truth. Truth is subjective. I want the 'facts; chili, what's in your wallet? It's all about logic, correct?

Logic is just like a prybar for those who need it. I, otoh, like driving wedges to secure my ways in golden so that I can walk away from my own fair share of it. Hence, I hold that the true beauty of gold is in our ability to walk away from it, and that, my dear, is what is left in my wallet.
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Old 06-21-2007, 10:04 AM   #14
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I was going to attempt to figre that out, then thought, never mind..........Iwish you well.
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