mmco78

First post so forgive me if I look stooopid in the company of much brighter individuals…

Does anyone know where I might locate a detailed map of the Exodus. Specifically one that maps out each individual point, or station, listed in Numbers 33:3-49. I know that a majority of these stations locations are unknown, but is there somewhere that at least approximates them or takes an educated guess? Sorry, I have exhausted any ideas I had to locate one. I even tried to map them myself, but finding information on some of these obscure areas (and their presumed location) has proved difficult for me.

Specifically I am trying to find out if the claim that Moseroth (Moserah) and Mount Hor of Numbers and Deuteronomy (The Exodus) could logically be more or less one and the same as the apologetics claim. Number 33:31 claims that they left Moseroth and continued on to other locations. Did they just walk in a big circle and arrive back in Moseroth or Mount Hor where Aaron died?

Thanks in advance for the help.

gdeering

Sorry I can't help, perhaps some one here can, but I have to tell you that many folks here don't think the Exodus occurred. There is no evidence of a mass migration through the Sinai. The idea that Millions of people and live stock - and all the plundered gold of Egypt - did not leave a mark in the ground or in contemporary history makes even many Biblically-minded folk wonder.


Gregg

Sai

Its going to be like looking for geological evidence that there was a "great flood", or seeking a National Geographic map of Atlantis.

bacht

The most interesting part of the Exodus story to me is the implication that Moses received religious instruction from Midianites (his father-in-law Jethro specifically)

Toto

If you google map exodus route you get 2,820,000 hits, mostly from Christian sites.

The first site that is not trying to prove that the Exodus actually happened as written in the Bible is Bible Origins

Exodus Problems

John Kesler

Moserah, with alternate spellings "Moseroth" and "Mosera," is between Sinai and Mt. Hor according to Numbers 33:15-37. For a more detailed explication of the texts, see this article.

mmco78

Gregg and Hesperopithecus: Yea I realize that, and I myself don’t believe that the Exodus happened either and am well aware of the many, many problems with it. I was hoping that someone had something that I was missing as I was simply trying to justify/refute the apologetics claim that these specific locations are one in the same in an attempt to explain away the discrepancy of the location of Aarons death.

Toto-Yea I tried that (for hours) and started going through them, but as I mentioned, nothing became as detailed as I was hoping for. And as you said, most were from Christian sites so it was tough to get an unbiased opinion. Also I had to laugh when I saw a couple, if not several different proposals. If the Bible was so darn clear and perfect wouldn’t it be a matter of connecting the dots?!

Bacht-It is also interesting to me that Moses always appears more wise than God…telling Him why He shouldn’t smite the Israelites such as Numbers 14:11-16!

John—Hot damn!! Now not quite a map, but that was pretty much exactly what I was looking for. I have used that site before, just didn’t ever see this so thank you. I just wanted a little more concrete info to use against the whole “Moseroth (Moserah/Mosera) is where Mount Hor was located" rather than just by saying….nuh huh, couldn’t happen. Now I can say nuh huh, didn’t happen, and this is why…

Thanks guys….but feel free to continue to add any pertinent info…

John Kesler

There are maps available online: see here, here, and here. The problem is that many of the locations mentioned in Numbers 33 are unknown, so a map is of little benefit.

mmco78

John, those were the maps that I had come across, but was wondering if someone had something a little more detailed. Apparently not. However, the article you pointed out works perfectly for rationally disputing the claim of Mt Hor residing in the region of Moserah.

John Kesler

The important thing to notice is that the Israelites left Moseroth/Mosera/Moserah in Numbers 33:31 and MADE SEVEN STOPS BEFORE ARRIVING AT MOUNT HOR. Note, too, that NOTHING in the text indicates that Mt. Hor was part of Moseroth. Not only this, but the only geographical identifier given for Mt. Hor is that it was "on the edge of the land of Edom" (v. 37). Why not identify Hor as part of the "region/district of Moseroth" if the Israelites had somehow entered again into this "district" after DEPARTING it per v. 31?

mmco78, you might also be interested in this post I wrote in 2002 on another list titled, "How Did Edom Greet 'em?" which discusses the Bible's disparate accounts regarding how the Edomites treated the Israelites during the Exodus. (One correction:In this article, I refer to Exodus 15 as the "Song of Moses" instead of the correct title, "Song of the Sea." The "Song of Moses" is Deuteronomy 32.)