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arnoldo · 01-21-2008, 09:51 AM

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...Especially as the Hebrews were a Caananite tribe. So the Hebrews don't exist?

That of course should give arnoldo apoplexy. The bible puts the Canaanites as sons of Ham. This is convenient naturally. He will naturally reject your statement on the bible's word.

However, the Hebrews have a Canaanite language, which is closer to other Canaanite languages than Phoenician which left the group earlier. The bible falsely puts Canaan into the sons of Ham in order to justify the notion of disinheriting the Canaanites. Still he will reject the evidence on the bible's word, which probably ultimately means it is useless to talk to him, because he has no rational standards, trusting a book on no evidential grounds above tangible evidence.

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Ok, since the Canaanites/Palestinians and the Jews/Israelis are both claiming a piece of land in the middle east what is the solution to this problem?:wave:

spin · 01-21-2008, 10:30 AM

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That of course should give arnoldo apoplexy. The bible puts the Canaanites as sons of Ham. This is convenient naturally. He will naturally reject your statement on the bible's word.

However, the Hebrews have a Canaanite language, which is closer to other Canaanite languages than Phoenician which left the group earlier. The bible falsely puts Canaan into the sons of Ham in order to justify the notion of disinheriting the Canaanites. Still he will reject the evidence on the bible's word, which probably ultimately means it is useless to talk to him, because he has no rational standards, trusting a book on no evidential grounds above tangible evidence.

Ok, since the Canaanites/Palestinians and the Jews/Israelis are both claiming a piece of land in the middle east what is the solution to this problem?:wave:

Go back to the Oslo accord, get the illegal Israeli settlements out of the agreed lands of Palestine. Both governments fight against the forces that don't want peace. Mutual compromise. Mutual respect.

spin

Sheshonq · 01-21-2008, 10:36 AM

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You do realize that the survival of the fittest comes from the Atheist evolution theory right?

Wrong.

Sheshonq · 01-21-2008, 10:40 AM

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The Partition of Palestine (a future thread) was not a partition to create a Jewish state but a home land for both Jews and Arabs with the Arabs being the Majority. Land promised to the Jews was given to Transjordan, and Jerusalem was to be a U.N. controled site. The White Paper limited the number of Jews allowed to this land.

Which in practice was ignored.

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If the Partition of Palestine was meant to Restore Israel then why are they opposing Israel?

As I said before: you have a strange definition of "oppose". When a country or an organization takes land from Arabs and gives it to Jews that is hardly "oppose". More like "come right in and make yourself at home."

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Why are they trying to snatch Jerusalem out of Israeli hands.

Because Israel stole it (at least, E. Jerusalem) from Arabs? Just a thought.

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Indeed why are they forcing Israel to give up land that it obtained in war,

1. They obtained it by using Great Britain as a hired bully to push Arabs out.

2. If obtaining land in war is acceptable, then I don't see where you have any right to complain.

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land that was originally promised them in the first place?

If I promise to give you my neighbor's house - without getting my neighbor to agree on the deal - what good is the promise?

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Critics like all bible prophecy will reject it even when it is unfolding right before their eyes, why?

Because the evidence doesn't support the claim.

Sheshonq · 01-21-2008, 10:42 AM

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"If you mean Israelis -- you continue to mix Jews with Israelisspin

Sorry, the Israelis, Jews, whatever term you like are the children of Abraham, thus the proof of Israel is proof of God's existence. Your orwellian doublespeak/newthink does not apply.

Repeating your position without proving it is a waste of time. And trying to slander someone else's position -without addressing the meat of their response - only shows that you're out of ammo.

As if we needed any more proof.

arnoldo · 01-21-2008, 10:44 AM

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Ok, since the Canaanites/Palestinians and the Jews/Israelis are both claiming a piece of land in the middle east what is the solution to this problem?:wave:

Go back to the Oslo accord, get the illegal Israeli settlements out of the agreed lands of Palestine. Both governments fight against the forces that don't want peace. Mutual compromise. Mutual respect.

spin

IMHO, the prophet Daniel prophesies that a "7 year peace plan' will happen in the near future. TIme will tell if this happens or not. I respect for feelings in this matter although we disagree on certain points.

Sheshonq · 01-21-2008, 10:45 AM

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So the existence of Greeks are proof of the existence of the Greek gods too?

Do you think the Modern day Greeks' believe in the ancient greek gods? Your absurd question is not valid.

Fine. Do modern-day Hindus prove that the existence of Hindu gods?

Modern-day Hindus believe in their gods. Since that is your criterion for the bible God, then the Hindu gods must exist too, since they have modern believers.

Checkmate.:wave:

Sheshonq · 01-21-2008, 10:46 AM

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In point of fact, there is one Palestinian govt. already in Gaza.

Point of fact, The State of Palestine, does not exist.

Wrong.

The rest of your post is just wishful thinking and repetition of your views on prophecy, not actual political analysis. Mercifully deleted.

arnoldo · 01-21-2008, 10:55 AM

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Do you think the Modern day Greeks' believe in the ancient greek gods? Your absurd question is not valid.

Fine. Do modern-day Hindus prove that the existence of Hindu gods?

Modern-day Hindus believe in their gods. Since that is your criterion for the bible God, then the Hindu gods must exist too, since they have modern believers.

Checkmate.:wave:

Sorry, can you name a single Hindu prophecy which has come true? Try again.

arnoldo · 01-21-2008, 10:56 AM

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Point of fact, The State of Palestine, does not exist.

Wrong.

The rest of your post is just wishful thinking and repetition of your views on prophecy, not actual political analysis. Mercifully deleted.

Sorry, there does not exist a State of Palestine. On the other hand The State of Israel is a reality.

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