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Old 01-10-2006, 01:52 PM   #61
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Clearly not, or forgery would not have been so widespread in early Christianity.
Can you explain why you consider these works were definitely forged. I have seen lots of speculation here about this but nothing more than speculation.

Do you have some hard facts?
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2 Peter gives a response to the Gnostic movement of the second century, well after Peter's lifetime. Matthew contains complexities in a language he had not mastered. The Infancy Gospel of Thomas originated in second-century Syria.

I'm sure there are others, too.
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Old 01-10-2006, 02:13 PM   #63
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Are you trying to suggest that the people they told their new "truth" to would willingly believe it because somebody was telling them it was the truth, and wouldnt think to check it out for themselves first?
Of course not. Who would believe anything just because somebody told them it was the truth? And wouldn't check it out first?

OH, WAIT!!! X-IANS HAVE BEEN DOING THAT FOR THE LAST 2000 YEARS!!
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2 Peter gives a response to the Gnostic movement of the second century, well after Peter's lifetime. Matthew contains complexities in a language he had not mastered. The Infancy Gospel of Thomas originated in second-century Syria.

I'm sure there are others, too.
Thanks for the response but I 'm sure you'll agree these issues are not very compelling WRT Vorksorgians comments.
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Old 01-10-2006, 09:54 PM   #65
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Of course not. Who would believe anything just because somebody told them it was the truth? And wouldn't check it out first?

OH, WAIT!!! X-IANS HAVE BEEN DOING THAT FOR THE LAST 2000 YEARS!!
How old are you Jackrabbit? Who told you you are that old? Do you trust them? Do you believe that you are as old as you were told you are? How you check it to make sure?
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Old 01-10-2006, 10:09 PM   #66
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How old are you Jackrabbit? Who told you you are that old? Do you trust them? Do you believe that you are as old as you were told you are? How you check it to make sure?
What in the world are you talking about? Jackrabbit knows how old he is because of all the evidence that points to his correct age. This includes, but is not limited to, appearance, memories, intelligence development, physical development, documentation, testimony from his parents and other witnesses, and also evidence relating to the reliability of that testimony. There's no need to investigate such simple truths, because compelling information is already so obvious.

Religion, on the other hand, is made up of unbelievable and unnatural claims, corroborated by nothing other than equally unbelievable claims.
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Look, there would not be an early Christian writings if NOTHING HAPPENED!
I agree.

But I think that what happened was that a new religion got started. Some people started believing certain things, and then some other people started writing those things down.

That sort of thing has happened lots of times through history. Really.
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Old 01-11-2006, 08:04 AM   #68
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www.earlychristianwritings.com

There are no writings like these in other religions. Other religions only have holy books with no historical writings.

Christianity has all these writings attributing to Jesus, we don't just have the 4 gospels. Do you see it? What was going on in that first century?
Could anyone tell me a bit more about this site? How reliable is it? Is it just the worked of a completely biased Christian?

Thanks.
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Old 01-11-2006, 08:07 AM   #69
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Could anyone tell me a bit more about this site? How reliable is it? Is it just the worked of a completely biased Christian?

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It is an excellent site and very reliable. It is done by a poster here, Peter Kirby, who is not a theist. Peter Kirby

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It is an excellent site and very reliable. It is done by a poster here, Peter Kirby, who is not a theist. Peter Kirby

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With regards to his dating, why is that then that posters on this forum claim such varying dates for texts?

He dates marks Gospel between 60-80ad with a 4 out of 5 for reliability, yet im seen claims of it dating way after that on here.
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