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sharrock · 05-08-2009, 11:19 AM

I'm sure I read a thread a day or two back which mentioned the above, which got me thinking... and led me to find this...

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Yahweh - Fictional Character

Mikyia mo (Greetings),

Tehuti is the origin of the fictional characters "moses", "jah", "david" and "yahweh".

….You also mentioned Jah, which is Yah. Did you know that a major title of Tehuti (God of Wisdom) is Iah? He is called Iah-Tehuti. In this form He has the crescent moon (Iah) on His headress. Jah or Iah is corruption of this title Iah.

Did you know that the bird that represents Tehuti, usually called an ibis (crane-headed bird) is called "Habu" and "Habui" in the language? "Habui" is pronounced [Hah-bweh] Habui (Habweh) was corrupted into Haweh. Just as 'h', 'y', 'j' and 'i' have interchanged (hesus, jesus, yeshu, iesu, issa (arabic)) so is Habui (Habweh)
corrupted into Yabweh/Yaweh. Those sounds are also interchageable in Afurakani/Afuraitkaitnit (African) languages.

There was a curious statement by the greeks, when they said that:

"The Ioudians (judeans/"jews") don't worship the Supreme Being---they worship the demiurge". Tehuti, Iah-Tehuti, Habui (Yaweh) is the origin of this statement, because much of the plagiarism in the bible deals with Tehuti---whether the greeks understood that or not.

While we're on Tehuti, I might as well state the proper etymology of another biblical name. Tehuti (in the metutu it's Thuti) is pronounced Taut by some of our people in "phoenicia" and others. Tehuti was often written with the metut/symbol representing a soft 't' or 'd'. Tehuti (sounds like Dehuti) was thus Dahuti and Daut in some dialects. Daut was corrupted into Dawud. Dawud still exists in arabic and is equivalent to Dawid (dwd) in "hebrew" and David in english.

I have given the proper etymologies for moses-Maakher/Tehuti, for jah/jahweh-Iah, Habui and Iah-Tehuti, david-Tehuti, Taut (greek thoth)......"

Can anyone throw any light on this statement ?

Thanks.

semiopen · 05-08-2009, 11:59 AM

That's a long statement.

There's a group on yahoo that discusses whether the Hebrew divinities were Canaanite or Egyptian in origin.

Both positions seem very strong to me.

One guy places Moses in the 12th dynasty and makes a reasonable case that the Egyptian he killed was a pharoh. This is talking 1900+ BCE.

The goddess Sekhmet has a name which is strikingly similar to Shekhina which is a Jewish concept for a feminine aspect of god. These two names can be googled together.

Regarding your post, there's a lot of stuff in there that will be very interesting to look into.

The David note is interesting, especially as it concerns the Tel-Dan Stele, where there is some debate on whether "bytdwd" means "House of David" or something else.

Great stuff, thanks for posting this.

sharrock · 05-08-2009, 12:15 PM

I didn't wish to post the whole of the missive I read but it's here if anyone's interested... http://www.assatashakur.org/forum/ke...haracters.html

Jedi Mind Trick · 05-09-2009, 12:39 AM

Tehuti/Thoth corresponds to Enki in the Sumerian myth. Enki was the god that told the Sumerian version of Noah to build a boat. He was also called "Ea" pronounced "yah".

This is all very interesting, but isn't etymology kind of tricky though?

Lugubert · 05-09-2009, 03:03 AM

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Originally Posted by semiopen

One guy places Moses in the 12th dynasty and makes a reasonable case that the Egyptian he killed was a pharoh. This is talking 1900+ BCE.

Other guys think that no "Moses" ever existed.

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The goddess Sekhmet has a name which is strikingly similar to Shekhina which is a Jewish concept for a feminine aspect of god. These two names can be googled together.

What amazing similarity! There's a "k" in both names!!

"Shekhina" is written sh-k-y-n-h. The kh in Sekhmet perhaps isn't a k either, so there's one or zero common consonants, and in most cases we don't know what the Egyptian vowels were. The seemingly common "e" might for example have been an "a" in Sekhmet. The greatest similarity is that both female names surprisingly have the feminine ending, -h in Hebrew and -t in Egyptian.

Cesc · 05-09-2009, 11:39 AM

The shekinah is a later (post 70 AD) invention, I believe. But its a noun constructed from the verb "shakah" (or something like that). Its the Hebrew verb "to dwell" which is used in Bible in connection with the Spirit "dwelling" in God's earthly house (tabernacle or temple). So Shekinah could be translated as "dweller".

xaxxat · 05-09-2009, 12:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Cesc

The shekinah is a later (post 70 AD) invention, I believe. But its a noun constructed from the verb "shakah" (or something like that). Its the Hebrew verb "to dwell" which is used in Bible in connection with the Spirit "dwelling" in God's earthly house (tabernacle or temple). So Shekinah could be translated as "dweller".

How about the idea of Asherah = Shekinah?

Cesc · 05-10-2009, 01:49 AM

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Originally Posted by xaxxat

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Originally Posted by Cesc

The shekinah is a later (post 70 AD) invention, I believe. But its a noun constructed from the verb "shakah" (or something like that). Its the Hebrew verb "to dwell" which is used in Bible in connection with the Spirit "dwelling" in God's earthly house (tabernacle or temple). So Shekinah could be translated as "dweller".

How about the idea of Asherah = Shekinah?

I dont know much about these things, but it's my understanding that the Jews invented the Shekinah concept with the female aspect of God in mind.
Whether they had the goddess Asherah in mind specifically, I dont know. I believe the role of Asherah in the old days, Jahweh's wife the fertility goddess, is what later largely became in the Bible "the spirit/glory/presence of God". Which they then much later unified as the Shekinah concept.

semiopen · 05-11-2009, 10:01 AM

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Originally Posted by xaxxat

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Originally Posted by Cesc

The shekinah is a later (post 70 AD) invention, I believe. But its a noun constructed from the verb "shakah" (or something like that). Its the Hebrew verb "to dwell" which is used in Bible in connection with the Spirit "dwelling" in God's earthly house (tabernacle or temple). So Shekinah could be translated as "dweller".

How about the idea of Asherah = Shekinah?

Asher which is spelled the same as Asherah, is God's middle name from ahayah asher ahayah (I am that I am).

Asherah seems to be in the dog house before the 1st exile, then makes a possible stunning comeback with Esther-Asherah-Ishtar.

This goddess type activity seems to have been going on for quite awhile.

spamandham · 05-11-2009, 09:49 PM

I guess I don't find it surprising that there are similarities in deities from Africa to Europe. It would be more surpising if there were not.

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05-08-2009, 11:59 AM	#2
semiopen Veteran Member Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Hillsborough, NJ Posts: 3,551	That's a long statement. There's a group on yahoo that discusses whether the Hebrew divinities were Canaanite or Egyptian in origin. Both positions seem very strong to me. One guy places Moses in the 12th dynasty and makes a reasonable case that the Egyptian he killed was a pharoh. This is talking 1900+ BCE. The goddess Sekhmet has a name which is strikingly similar to Shekhina which is a Jewish concept for a feminine aspect of god. These two names can be googled together. Regarding your post, there's a lot of stuff in there that will be very interesting to look into. The David note is interesting, especially as it concerns the Tel-Dan Stele, where there is some debate on whether "bytdwd" means "House of David" or something else. Great stuff, thanks for posting this.

05-08-2009, 12:15 PM	#3
sharrock Junior Member Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: UK Posts: 80	I didn't wish to post the whole of the missive I read but it's here if anyone's interested... http://www.assatashakur.org/forum/ke...haracters.html

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Jedi Mind Trick Veteran Member Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Indianaplolis Posts: 4,998	Tehuti/Thoth corresponds to Enki in the Sumerian myth. Enki was the god that told the Sumerian version of Noah to build a boat. He was also called "Ea" pronounced "yah". This is all very interesting, but isn't etymology kind of tricky though?

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spamandham Contributor Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Dallas, TX Posts: 11,525	I guess I don't find it surprising that there are similarities in deities from Africa to Europe. It would be more surpising if there were not.

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