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Old 02-02-2012, 01:44 PM   #1
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Default Does gMark portray Jesus as going insane?

I speculate that it does:

Mark 15:37 But Jesus cried out with a loud voice and breathed his last.

Death forced Jesus to conclude that he was not the Messiah. His cry indicates that this indesputable conclusion drove him to insanity. In a moment his world was rudely deconstructed.
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I speculate that it does:

Mark 15:37 But Jesus cried out with a loud voice and breathed his last.

Death forced Jesus to conclude that he was not the Messiah. His cry indicates that this indesputable conclusion drove him to insanity. In a moment his world was rudely deconstructed.
His world was rudely deconstructed??
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In gMark, Jesus did not merely cry out. More specifically, he screams:

Mark 15:37 "And Jesus let out a loud scream and breathed his last."
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I speculate that it does:

Mark 15:37 But Jesus cried out with a loud voice and breathed his last.

Death forced Jesus to conclude that he was not the Messiah. His cry indicates that this indesputable conclusion drove him to insanity. In a moment his world was rudely deconstructed.
This pre-supposes that gMark is history.

The words of Jesus can be found in Psalms 22.
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A man, at the moment of death on the cross, shows he is suffering: is this evidence of insanity?
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I'd tend to think it would better indicate a final release from the insanity endemic to this life.
Thank god for our death, when we no longer have to deal with this insane stupid religious shit.
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I'd tend to think it would better indicate a final release from the insanity endemic to this life.
Thank god for our death, when we no longer have to deal with this insane stupid religious shit.
Perhaps death is when insanity really starts.
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I speculate that it does:

Mark 15:37 But Jesus cried out with a loud voice and breathed his last.

Death forced Jesus to conclude that he was not the Messiah. His cry indicates that this indesputable conclusion drove him to insanity. In a moment his world was rudely deconstructed.
This pre-supposes that gMark is history.

The words of Jesus can be found in Psalms 22.
I do not think that gMark is history. It is a creative piece based on the gist of what happened to a historical Jesus. He was found guilty and justly executed because he was a disturbing, messianic pretender who truly became intolerable. That much I am thinking is historical and the basis of gMark's artful rendition.

Jesus misquoted Psalm 22:1, which reads 'eli. Jesus said 'eloi, a form that as far as I know is only attested in a LXX textual variant. I do not think that it is either Hebrew or Aramaic. It appears to be a conflation of 'eli and 'elohi, resulting in a misprounciation in his prayer, for which he was taunted and mocked and with ah unger for more of the same. And I think that according to this story, Jesus realized his serious error and so fell back onto his Aramaic venacular to finish the quote which clearly Aramaic.
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Also see Mark 3:21.
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Hearing of this, His relatives came to seize Him by force, for they said, "He is out of his mind."
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I'd tend to think it would better indicate a final release from the insanity endemic to this life.
Thank god for our death, when we no longer have to deal with this insane stupid religious shit.
Perhaps death is when insanity really starts.
I may be insane, but I'm not nuking futs enough to be buying that line.
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