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Old 10-19-2005, 06:34 PM   #1
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Default Verses most Christians ignore in the bible

What do you think are the parts of the Bible that most Christians ignore or, if they considered the logical implications of them, would contradict most of what modern Christianity believes? My favorite would be 1 Corinthians 15. This is for a lot of reasons.

1. It establishes subordination of the son (v. 27-28)(no doctrine of trinity, at least as co-equal).
2. It denies the physical resurrection (v. 50) (flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God).
3. It has pantheistic overtones (v. 28) (God may be all in all).
4. It establishes platonic dualism in Paul's thought (v. 40-41) (Heavenly bodies and earthly bodies are different).
5. It mentions, as a proof of the resurrection, baptism on behalf of the dead (v. 29) (Most christians can't explain this, only mormons and gnostics can as far as I know).
6. It contradicts the gospel accounts of the resurrection (v. 3-9).

Does anybody else have any? It's interesting how people who claim infallibility of the bible (I used to be one) never examine critically the thing they claim to believe in.
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I submit Matthew 6.5-6, which appears to me to be officially ignored at least once a year, on the National Day of Prayer.

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The issue not even phantomed in breaking of one of the 10 Cs when it comes to their divorice and remarriage.

Matthew 5:31-32
"Furthermore it has been said, 'Whoever divorces his wife, let him give her a certificate of divorce.' 32 "But I say to you that whoever divorces his wife for any reason except sexual immorality causes her to commit adultery; and whoever marries a woman who is divorced commits adultery."

...and the blantantly ignoring of Jesus when it comes to keeping the law:

Matthew 5:17-20
17"Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them. 18I tell you the truth, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke of a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished. 19Anyone who breaks one of the least of these commandments and teaches others to do the same will be called least in the kingdom of heaven, but whoever practices and teaches these commands will be called great in the kingdom of heaven. 20For I tell you that unless your righteousness surpasses that of the Pharisees and the teachers of the law, you will certainly not enter the kingdom of heaven.
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I says just about all of Matt 5, actually. Turn the other cheek, not suing, etc.

Matt.19:21, Jesus answered, "If you want to be perfect, go, sell your possessions and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven. Then come, follow me."

How about the 2nd commandment in Exo 20:
4Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth.

The iconoclastic contraversy. Every time Christians hang a painting of Jesus or angels on their wall, they are breaking this commandment. Well, only if you really believe these beings exist - which they do believe.
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Mathew 6:1-5

Basically rules out practicing your religon in a manner designed to impress others,
or bragging about your charitable works.

Mathew 5:34 Rules out taking oaths.

Regarding making graven images, isn't that what 10 commandment displays actually are?
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Regarding making graven images, isn't that what 10 commandment displays actually are?
I would vote for "yes" just for spite, but I think technically not, as they are not an image of something heavenly or to be worshipped. I would not argue strongly against it though.
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Matt.19:21, Jesus answered, "If you want to be perfect, go, sell your possessions and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven. Then come, follow me."
Then what are the poor supposed to do?
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And don't forget Mt5:29-30

29 If your right eye causes you to sin, tear it out and throw it away; it is better for you to lose one of your members than for your whole body to be thrown into hell. 30 And if your right hand causes you to sin, cut it off and throw it away; it is better for you to lose one of your members than for your whole body to go into hell.
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Then what are the poor supposed to do?
Not quite fair: This was an advice to one specific guy who happened to be rich.
Something similar may be said about other examples; "Turn the other cheek" and it sequels are said in the special situation where the disciples go into potentially hostile territory.

But how about: "Don't judge lest you be judged?" Or is that contained in already mentioned quotes?
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Matthew 5:17-20
17"Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them. 18I tell you the truth, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke of a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished. 19Anyone who breaks one of the least of these commandments and teaches others to do the same will be called least in the kingdom of heaven, but whoever practices and teaches these commands will be called great in the kingdom of heaven. 20For I tell you that unless your righteousness surpasses that of the Pharisees and the teachers of the law, you will certainly not enter the kingdom of heaven.
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The whole law was acomplished in Jesus by his sinless life, so at his death the Law was abolished.
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