Wayne Delia

Oh, I've never considered myself disabled, but for 44 years, I had extremely strong myopia and astigmatism, wearing what are traditionally known as "Coke-bottle-bottom" glasses. Currently, I have 20/15 vision for the past four years. It wasn't a miracle from your God or anyone else's, but a standard surgical procedure known as LASIK. It wasn't performed by Jesus, but rather by a non-Christian surgeon. If I had relied on faith alone, I'd still be squinting behind the thick lenses, listening to lame alibis from Christians about why I was still visually impaired. Instead, the procedure was quick, painless, and deadly effective: my prescription went from -12.75 diopters in the right eye, -13.75 diopters in the left eye down to 0.00 diopters left eye, +0.25 diopters right eye. Distance vision is spectacular, and it's as if I can see each individual leaf on distant trees. This ability is not something I have to convince myself is real when it's not; I can accurately read billboard signs from entirely across the football stadium unaided.

Your strategy here is typical and juvenile: to pretend I said something I didn't, in order for you to make a weak insult. I never said I was disabled. I said that you, and many Christian fundies, fail to see the bigotry against physically disabled people by relying on the stereotype and prejudice against blind or deaf people. You didn't address that at all. Instead, you pretended that I was actually disabled, so that you could include me in your bigotry against disabled people. That could be part of the reason that nobody (that I have noticed) actually takes you seriously. Here, I'll give you an example:

No Fuckin' Way. I repainted the whole house last summer and it took me nearly a month. It's supposed to be good for at least another ten years.

See how that worked? You originally said "repented", but I changed it to "repainted", and gave an answer that made your position look ridiculous.

But if I were to address your actual statement, I'd point out that "light = good" and "dark = evil" are entirely arbitrary, much like "white cowboy hats = good" and "black cowboy hats = evil." In fact, "turn to the light" was the undoing of the Branch Davidian cult, as the ATF turned multiple banks of 500 watt Klieg lights on the compound all night so that no normal sleep was possible.

"There is only one who can save you" contains a lot of presuppositions that I don't share as necessarily being valid, which you'll need to establish instead of stamping your feet and demanding that people uncritically accept your beliefs as true. It also ignores some very relevant issues, such as who is issuing this threat from which I need to be saved. Turns out the threat comes from God Himself, which sets Him up as a Mafia protection racket - He extorts a price (belief in Jesus) for "protection" which He provides against problems which He causes.

I will not debate you. You're not up to the task. It would be like shooting fish in a barrel - using a shotgun, and the fish have been nailed to the bottom of the barrel.

WMD

Bogie

You didn't misread. This is John Wolf "in classic form", unfortunately. If you have time to waste and can fend off the desire to jam an icepick in your eye, you can read more of his "bible teaching" on Usenet's free.christians.

Until he gets himself banned (which he will wear as a badge of honor), we should expect more of the same.

Bible John

I do not watch Trading Spouses nor have I ever heard of it.

Bible John

Matt. 28:18 Then Jesus came to them and said, “All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to me.
Matt. 28:19 Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit,
Matt. 28:20 and teaching them to obey everything I have commanded you. And surely I am with you always, to the very end of the age.�

Bible John

Josh. 1:8 Do not let this Book of the Law depart from your mouth; meditate on it day and night, so that you may be careful to do everything written in it. Then you will be prosperous and successful.

Psa 119:11 Thy word have I hid in mine heart, that I might not sin against thee.

Heb. 4:12 ¶ For the word of God is living and active. Sharper than any double-edged sword, it penetrates even to dividing soul and spirit, joints and marrow; it judges the thoughts and attitudes of the heart.

Bible John

Rom. 1:20 For since the creation of the world God’s invisible qualities — his eternal power and divine nature — have been clearly seen, being understood from what has been made, so that men are without excuse.
Rom. 1:21 ¶ For although they knew God, they neither glorified him as God nor gave thanks to him, but their thinking became futile and their foolish hearts were darkened.
Rom. 1:22 Although they claimed to be wise, they became fools

Wayne Delia

You missed a doozy of a two-part episode, then. Fox Broadcasting did not give advance notice that it would be a two-part episode, which "sucked us in" which was not expected.

I am a chapter advisor for a fraternity at Marist College, and I insist to the guys that in the age of the Internet and Google's search capabilities, there is no excuse to be ignorant of virtually any topic. Simply typing the search keywords "Trading Spouses Christian" brought up about 242,000 result hits, including Fox Broadcasting's main web site. You can research the details for yourself.

Trading Spouses is one of a countless number of Fox reality shows, filming the reactions from families who have temporarily swapped moms for a week. The two-part episode focused on a fundamentalist Christian mother "trading places" with a New Age holistic mother. The Christian woman was grossly overweight, openly hypocritical (insisting that the New Age family participate in her Christian rituals, while strenuously refusing to participate in any of their rituals) and her hypocrisy even extended to eventually accepting what she characterized as tainted, non-Christian, "blood money" of $50,000. She had an on-screen meltdown as a result of her intolerance of anything unBiblical, screaming like a psychotic, working herself up into schizophrenic fits that portrayed fundamentalist Christianity in a very bad light. She weighed probably 450 pounds, which I thought was an unfair comparison to the very attractive New Age mother, who was definitely "hot". The personalities were stereotypical - the fundamentalist was dogmatic, inflexible, unyielding, and uncompromising, while the New Age mother came just short of stealing the affections of the shy, repressed 14-year-old girl in the Christian family through concern, love, openness, empathy, kindness, and expressiveness. The two-part episode concluded with the aforementioned psychotic meltdown on screen by guess who, followed by her refusal to accept the $50,000 prize which she later accepted, because hey, fifty grand is fifty grand.

I watched those episodes with my kids (Joe is 12 and Lisa is 10), whose attention to the show was drawn exactly as Fox designed it, with bizarre commercials showing bizarre behavior. The moral of the story is this is what can happen to real people who allow themselves to get controlled by their religions. The kids understood the point.

The issue here is that by bolding and capitalizing your irrelevant responses, you are reacting exactly as the fundamentalist Christian woman did on Trading Spouses, who was screaming "I'm a GAWD WARRIOR and I rebuke this in the name of Jesus Christ Our Lord!" as she tried to tear up the reward check.

Any questions?

WMD

Wayne Delia

I'm not defending disabled people because I was ever (visually) disabled. Rather, I am defending disabled people because it's the right thing to do.

WMD

Bible John

Thats if you assume that all "quality" information is on the Internet. If this is your presumption then its no wonder why atheists are so ignorant of the bible! There are a half dozen refs that I have in book form (physical or electronic) that are not posted with a free price tag under google.

Also when doing research in a english course on Western Literature I found almost no detailed quality information on a certain work that I was writing about. I instead had to turn to the good old fashioned library! For goodness sakes you think that google and the Internet isn going to replace libraries? Give me a break that lame argument surfaced around 1995 and still holds no water and my experiences and that of millions of others proves it. There is far far more defailed information available in books that you cant find for free on the web.

Wayne the bible is my authority. It is not for you because you are blinded by the evil one that holds your soul. Wayne I pray that you will be freed from the curse of darkness that holds your soul and repent and turn to the light.


John

seebs

Shouldn't Jesus be your primary authority?