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JoeWallack · 04-29-2008, 07:50 AM

You Took The Words Right Out Of My Mouth

JW:
Criteria:

Quote:

2. Similarity in language
Lexical repetitions or synonyms. Rare words are more likely to be significant. Consider synonyms, too. Are compound forms forms apparently used as intentional parallels to their original forms?

Paul's likely first extant writing 1 Thessalonians, fifth paragraph (English):

http://www.errancywiki.com/index.php/1_Thessalonians_5

Quote:

5:1 But concerning the times and the seasons, brethren, ye have no need that aught be written unto you.

5:2 For yourselves know perfectly that the day of the Lord so cometh as a thief in the night.

5:3 When they are saying, Peace and safety, then sudden destruction cometh upon them, as travail upon a woman with child; and they shall in no wise escape.

5:4 But ye, brethren, are not in darkness, that that day should overtake you as a thief:

5:5 for ye are all sons of light, and sons of the day: we are not of the night, nor of darkness;

5:6 so then let us not sleep, as do the rest, but let us watch and be sober.

5:7 For they that sleep sleep in the night: and they that are drunken are drunken in the night.

5:8 But let us, since we are of the day, be sober, putting on the breastplate of faith and love; and for a helmet, the hope of salvation.

5:9 For God appointed us not into wrath, but unto the obtaining of salvation through our Lord Jesus Christ,

5:10 who died for us, that, whether we wake or sleep, we should live together with him.

5:11 Wherefore exhort one another, and build each other up, even as also ye do.

5:12 But we beseech you, brethren, to know them that labor among you, and are over you in the Lord, and admonish you;

5:13 and to esteem them exceeding highly in love for their work`s sake. Be at peace among yourselves.

5:14 And we exhort you, brethren, admonish the disorderly, encourage the fainthearted, support the weak, be longsuffering toward all.

5:15 See that none render unto any one evil for evil; but always follow after that which is good, one toward another, and toward all.

5:16 Rejoice always;

5:17 pray without ceasing;

5:18 in everything give thanks: for this is the will of God in Christ Jesus to you-ward.

5:19 Quench not the Spirit;

5:20 despise not prophesyings;

5:21 prove all things; hold fast that which is good;

5:22 abstain from every form of evil.

5:23 And the God of peace himself sanctify you wholly; and may your spirit and soul and body be preserved entire, without blame at the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ.

5:24 Faithful is he that calleth you, who will also do it.

5:25 Brethren, pray for us.

5:26 Salute all the brethren with a holy kiss.

5:27 I adjure you by the Lord that this epistle be read unto all the brethren.

5:28 The grace of our Lord Jesus Christ be with you.

JW:
The emphasis of the first paragraph was the Delivery of the Gospel. The emphasis of the second paragraph was the Reception of the Gospel. The emphasis of the third paragraph was the Message of the Gospel, Enduring in Affliction. The emphasis of the fourth paragraph was the Reward of the Gospel. The emphasis of the fifth paragraph here is the Timing of the Reward. Should the Faithful Christian buy into
the EE bond for ten years, the EEE bond for twenty years or, the XXX Savings bond for 2,000 years. Now how smart was the old widow for throwing away her life savings in the Temple Treasury. Should have hired an older investment advisor. The parallel in "Mark" is the l.a.l.a., Peter's not listening

http://www.errancywiki.com/index.php/Mark_13

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13:17 But woe unto them that are with child and to them that give suck in those days!

13:18 And pray ye that it be not in the winter.

13:19 For those days shall be tribulation, such as there hath not been the like from the beginning of the creation which God created until now, and never shall be.

13:20 And except the Lord had shortened the days, no flesh would have been saved; but for the elect`s sake, whom he chose, he shortened the days.

13:21 And then if any man shall say unto you, Lo, here is the Christ; or, Lo, there; believe [it] not:

13:22 for there shall arise false Christs and false prophets, and shall show signs and wonders, that they may lead astray, if possible, the elect.

13:23 But take ye heed: behold, I have told you all things beforehand.

13:24 But in those days, after that tribulation, the sun shall be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light,

13:25 and the stars shall be falling from heaven, and the powers that are in the heavens shall be shaken.

13:26 And then shall they see the Son of man coming in clouds with great power and glory.

13:27 And then shall he send forth the angels, and shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from the uttermost part of the earth to the uttermost part of heaven.

13:28 Now from the fig tree learn her parable: when her branch is now become tender, and putteth forth its leaves, ye know that the summer is nigh;

13:29 even so ye also, when ye see these things coming to pass, know ye that he is nigh, [even] at the doors.

13:30 Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass away, until all these things be accomplished.

13:31 Heaven and earth shall pass away: but my words shall not pass away.

13:32 But of that day or that hour knoweth no one, not even the angels in heaven, neither the Son, but the Father.

13:33 Take ye heed, watch and pray: for ye know not when the time is.

13:34 [It is] as [when] a man, sojourning in another country, having left his house, and given authority to his servants, to each one his work, commanded also the porter to watch.

13:35 Watch therefore: for ye know not when the lord of the house cometh, whether at even, or at midnight, or at cockcrowing, or in the morning;

13:36 lest coming suddenly he find you sleeping.

13:37 And what I say unto you I say unto all, Watch.

JW:
Key words comparison:

http://www.zhubert.com/bible?book=1%...ter=5&verse=16

http://www.zhubert.com/bible?book=Ma...er=13&verse=17

1) Seasons = Paul/καιρῶν (5.1) "Mark"/χειμῶνος/winter (13.18), θέρος/summer (13.28) Closely related words

2) Pangs of childbirth = Paul/�*δὶν τῇ ἐν γαστρὶ ἐχούσῃ (5:3) "Mark"/ταῖς ἐν γαστρὶ ἐχούσαις/with child (13.17) Match and related words

3) Travail = Paul/�*δὶν (5:3) "Mark"/�*δίνων (13:8) Same word different form

4) Watch = Paul/γρηγορῶμεν (5:6) "Mark"/ἀγρυπνεῖτε (13:33) Same word different form

Thus we have excellent parallels for key words between the fifth paragraph of 1 Thessalonians and "Mark". Note especially that the final paragraph of 1 Thessalonians has the best parallels to "Mark".

For the ever vigilante Spin, note that just after "Mark" refers to the wrath that will/did come down on the Jews (13:2) "Mark's" Jesus launches into his l.a. landing, paralleling Paul. The l.a. is the only part of "Mark" that strikes me as having a distinctly different style from the rest of "Mark" because it is an extended lecture that lacks the usual Ironic Contrast. It could be the Author speaking but on the other hand it also works well as an anti-climactic agent. In Jesus feature speech he goes on and on and on about post resurrection instructions, yet in the Narrative no one ends up knowing that he was resurrected and all is for naught. Now that's Ironic! In the original Play I can easily picture Peter fumbling around during the whole speech for something to write with and at the end saying, "Can you rePete that?":

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Km7WD8wkb1c&mode=relate

Joseph

FAITH, n.
Belief without evidence in what is told by one who speaks without knowledge, of things without parallel.

http://www.errancywiki.com/index.php/Main_Page

JoeWallack · 04-30-2008, 07:26 AM

You Took The Words Right Out Of My Mouth

JW:
Criteria:

Quote:

2. Similarity in language
Lexical repetitions or synonyms. Rare words are more likely to be significant. Consider synonyms, too. Are compound forms forms apparently used as intentional parallels to their original forms?

Paul's likely first extant writing 1 Thessalonians, miscellaneous words (Paulpourri):

http://www.errancywiki.com/index.php/1_Thessalonians_1

http://www.zhubert.com/bible?book=1%...pter=1&verse=1

http://www.zhubert.com/bible?book=Ma...pter=1&verse=1

1) Living God = Paul/θεῷ ζῶντι (1.9) "Mark"/θεὸς νεκρῶν ἀλλὰ ζώντων/God (not) of the dead but living (12.27), Same words different forms

2) For his son from heaven = Paul/τὸν υἱὸν αὐτοῦ ἐκ τῶν οὐρανῶν (1:10) "Mark"/ἐκ τῶν οὐρανῶν σὺ εἶ ὁ υἱός/from out of heaven my son (1.11) Match (heaven) and Same word different form (son)

3) The Gospel of God = Paul/τὸ εὐαγγέλιον τοῦ θεοῦ (2:2) "Mark"/τὸ εὐαγγέλιον τοῦ θεοῦ (1:14) Match

4) Be at peace with yourselves = Paul/εἰρηνεύετε ἐν ἑαυτοῖς (5:13) "Mark"/εἰρηνεύετε ἐν ἀλλήλοις (9:50) Match and synonym

5) Salute all the brethren with a holy kiss = Paul/ἀσπάσασθε τοὺς ἀδελφοὺς πάντας ἐν φιλήματι ἁγίῳ (5:26) "Mark"/καὶ ἐλθὼν εὐθὺς προσελθὼν αὐτῷ λέγει ῥαββί καὶ κατεφίλησεν αὐτόν/And when he was come, straightway he came to him, and saith, Rabbi; and kissed him. (14.45) synonym expression

Thus we have excellent parallels for miscellaneous words between 1 Thessalonians and "Mark".

Joseph

FAITH, n.
Belief without evidence in what is told by one who speaks without knowledge, of things without parallel.

http://www.errancywiki.com/index.php/Main_Page

JoeWallack · 05-01-2008, 06:59 AM

You Took The Words Right Out Of My Mouth

JW:
Next Criteria:

Quote:

3. Literary form

May not stand on its own but can complement other similarities. Healings of paralytics by Peter (Acts 3:1-10) and Paul (14:8-10) share a common literary form — both contain information about the place, action of the man, word of healing, gesture of healing, immediate occurrence of healing, demonstration of healing, and effect on the crowd (from Lüdeman, Early Christianity, 53).

Sometimes better to speak of distinct literary motifs in common: example, the double visions in each of the conversions of Saul (9:1-19) and Peter (10:1-48).

What is distinctly Markan style is the Contrast. Let's see to what extent Paul's likely first extant writing 1 Thessalonians, shows Contrast:

http://www.errancywiki.com/index.php/1_Thessalonians_1

The Beginning shows no contrast within itself but note that the beginning of "Mark" shows little contrast:

http://www.errancywiki.com/index.php/Mark_1

Onto the next Chapter:

http://www.errancywiki.com/index.php/1_Thessalonians_2

Quote:

2:14 For ye, brethren, became imitators of the churches of God which are in Judaea in Christ Jesus: for ye also suffered the same things of your own countrymen, even as they did of the Jews;

2:15 who both killed the Lord Jesus and the prophets, and drove out us, and pleased not God, and are contrary to all men;

2:16 forbidding us to speak to the Gentiles that they may be saved; to fill up their sins always: but the wrath is come upon them to the uttermost.

Here we contrast between Believers and "The Jews":

1 - Endure vs. Inflict suffering

2 - Create vs. Destroy Jesus

3 - Bring in vs. Drive out Jesus

4 - Please vs. Displease God

5 - Complimentary vs. Contrary to all men

6 - Speak vs. Don't speak to Gentiles

7 - Never vs. Always sinning

8 - Avoid vs. Receive the Wrath (of Con)

Thus we have a nice parallel here for Contrasting Style between 1 Thessalonians and "Mark".

Joseph

FAITH, n.
Belief without evidence in what is told by one who speaks without knowledge, of things without parallel.

http://www.errancywiki.com/index.php/Main_Page

JoeWallack · 05-02-2008, 06:01 AM

You Took The Words Right Out Of My Mouth

JW:
Criteria:

Quote:

3. Literary form

May not stand on its own but can complement other similarities. Healings of paralytics by Peter (Acts 3:1-10) and Paul (14:8-10) share a common literary form — both contain information about the place, action of the man, word of healing, gesture of healing, immediate occurrence of healing, demonstration of healing, and effect on the crowd (from Lüdeman, Early Christianity, 53).

Sometimes better to speak of distinct literary motifs in common: example, the double visions in each of the conversions of Saul (9:1-19) and Peter (10:1-48).

What is distinctly Markan style is the Contrast. In 1 Thessalonians:

http://www.errancywiki.com/index.php/1_Thessalonians_1

The Beginning shows no contrast within itself but note that the beginning of "Mark" shows little contrast:

http://www.errancywiki.com/index.php/Mark_1

The second paragraph:

http://www.errancywiki.com/index.php/1_Thessalonians_2

Shows a strong contrast between Believers and "The Jews":

The third paragraph:

http://www.errancywiki.com/index.php/1_Thessalonians_3

Quote:

3:2 and sent Timothy, our brother and God`s minister in the gospel of Christ, to establish you, and to comfort [you] concerning your faith;

3:3 that no man be moved by these afflictions; for yourselves know that hereunto we are appointed.

Quote:

3:7 for this cause, brethren, we were comforted over you in all our distress and affliction through your faith:

Here the Contrast is internal, regarding Faith, and is between Affliction and Comfort, both caused by Faith.

Thus we have a nice parallel here for Contrasting Style between 1 Thessalonians and "Mark".

Note that if there is copying, the copycatechism will Typically increase the style to make it more pronounced (so to speak) and maybe even "raise" it to a recognized major literary style, such as, oh I don't know, say Irony?

Joseph

FAITH, n.
Belief without evidence in what is told by one who speaks without knowledge, of things without parallel.

http://www.errancywiki.com/index.php/Main_Page

JoeWallack · 05-03-2008, 06:59 AM

You Took The Words Right Out Of My Mouth

JW:
Criteria:

Quote:

3. Literary form

May not stand on its own but can complement other similarities. Healings of paralytics by Peter (Acts 3:1-10) and Paul (14:8-10) share a common literary form — both contain information about the place, action of the man, word of healing, gesture of healing, immediate occurrence of healing, demonstration of healing, and effect on the crowd (from Lüdeman, Early Christianity, 53).

Sometimes better to speak of distinct literary motifs in common: example, the double visions in each of the conversions of Saul (9:1-19) and Peter (10:1-48).

What is distinctly Markan style is the Contrast. In 1 Thessalonians:

http://www.errancywiki.com/index.php/1_Thessalonians_1

The Beginning shows no contrast within itself but note that the beginning of "Mark" shows little contrast:

http://www.errancywiki.com/index.php/Mark_1

The second paragraph:

http://www.errancywiki.com/index.php/1_Thessalonians_2

Shows a strong contrast between Believers and "The Jews":

The third paragraph:

http://www.errancywiki.com/index.php/1_Thessalonians_3

Shows a strong contrast between Affliction and Comfort, both caused by Faith.

The fourth paragraph:

http://www.errancywiki.com/index.php/1_Thessalonians_4

Quote:

4:1 Finally then, brethren, we beseech and exhort you in the Lord Jesus, that, as ye received of us how ye ought to walk and to please God, even as ye do walk, --that ye abound more and more.

4:2 For ye know what charge we gave you through the Lord Jesus.

4:3 For this is the will of God, [even] your sanctification, that ye abstain from fornication;

4:4 that each one of you know how to possess himself of his own vessel in sanctification and honor,

4:5 not in the passion of lust, even as the Gentiles who know not God;

Here the Contrast is between Believers and The Gentiles.

Thus we have a nice parallel here for Contrasting Style between 1 Thessalonians and "Mark".

Joseph

FAITH, n.
Belief without evidence in what is told by one who speaks without knowledge, of things without parallel.

http://www.errancywiki.com/index.php/Main_Page

JoeWallack · 05-04-2008, 05:57 AM

You Took The Words Right Out Of My Mouth

JW:
Criteria:

Quote:

3. Literary form

May not stand on its own but can complement other similarities. Healings of paralytics by Peter (Acts 3:1-10) and Paul (14:8-10) share a common literary form — both contain information about the place, action of the man, word of healing, gesture of healing, immediate occurrence of healing, demonstration of healing, and effect on the crowd (from Lüdeman, Early Christianity, 53).

Sometimes better to speak of distinct literary motifs in common: example, the double visions in each of the conversions of Saul (9:1-19) and Peter (10:1-48).

What is distinctly Markan style is the Contrast. In 1 Thessalonians:

http://www.errancywiki.com/index.php/1_Thessalonians_1

The Beginning shows no contrast within itself but note that the beginning of "Mark" shows little contrast:

http://www.errancywiki.com/index.php/Mark_1

The second paragraph:

http://www.errancywiki.com/index.php/1_Thessalonians_2

Shows a strong contrast between Believers and "The Jews":

The third paragraph:

http://www.errancywiki.com/index.php/1_Thessalonians_3

Shows a strong contrast between Affliction and Comfort, both caused by Faith.

The fourth paragraph:

http://www.errancywiki.com/index.php/1_Thessalonians_4

Shows a strong contrast between Believers and The Gentiles.

The fifth paragraph:

http://www.errancywiki.com/index.php/1_Thessalonians_5

Quote:

5:3 When they are saying, Peace and safety, then sudden destruction cometh upon them, as travail upon a woman with child; and they shall in no wise escape.

5:4 But ye, brethren, are not in darkness, that that day should overtake you as a thief:

5:5 for ye are all sons of light, and sons of the day: we are not of the night, nor of darkness;

5:6 so then let us not sleep, as do the rest, but let us watch and be sober.

5:7 For they that sleep sleep in the night: and they that are drunken are drunken in the night.

5:8 But let us, since we are of the day, be sober, putting on the breastplate of faith and love; and for a helmet, the hope of salvation.

5:9 For God appointed us not into wrath, but unto the obtaining of salvation through our Lord Jesus Christ,

5:10 who died for us, that, whether we wake or sleep, we should live together with him.

Here the Contrast is between Believers and Non-Believers.

Thus we have a nice parallel here for Contrasting Style between 1 Thessalonians and "Mark".

Joseph

FAITH, n.
Belief without evidence in what is told by one who speaks without knowledge, of things without parallel.

http://www.errancywiki.com/index.php/Main_Page

JoeWallack · 05-05-2008, 07:12 AM

You Took The Words Right Out Of My Mouth

JW:
Criteria:

Quote:

3. Literary form

May not stand on its own but can complement other similarities. Healings of paralytics by Peter (Acts 3:1-10) and Paul (14:8-10) share a common literary form — both contain information about the place, action of the man, word of healing, gesture of healing, immediate occurrence of healing, demonstration of healing, and effect on the crowd (from Lüdeman, Early Christianity, 53).

Sometimes better to speak of distinct literary motifs in common: example, the double visions in each of the conversions of Saul (9:1-19) and Peter (10:1-48).

What is distinctly Markan style is the Contrast. In 1 Thessalonians:

http://errancywiki.com/~errancyw/ind...hessalonians_1

We have the following contrasts:

The Beginning shows no contrast within itself but note that the beginning of "Mark" shows little contrast:

http://www.errancywiki.com/index.php/Mark_1

The second paragraph:

http://www.errancywiki.com/index.php/1_Thessalonians_2

Shows a strong contrast between Believers and "The Jews":

The third paragraph:

http://www.errancywiki.com/index.php/1_Thessalonians_3

Shows a strong contrast between Affliction and Comfort, both caused by Faith.

The fourth paragraph:

http://www.errancywiki.com/index.php/1_Thessalonians_4

Shows a strong contrast between Believers and The Gentiles.

The fifth paragraph:

http://www.errancywiki.com/index.php/1_Thessalonians_5

Shows a strong contrast between Believers and Non-Believers.

Thus we have nice parallels here for Contrasting Style between 1 Thessalonians and "Mark".

"Contrast" is a general literary style though. A more specific style of Contrast is Irony. A general observation is often the Copyist will increase a style to emphasize it. Let's see if there is Irony in 1 Thessalonians and to what extent:

http://www.errancywiki.com/index.php/1_Thessalonians_1

First paragraph:

Theme = Delivery of the Gospel

Contrast = Little

Irony =

Quote:

1:6 And ye became imitators of us, and of the Lord, having received the word in much affliction, with joy of the Holy Spirit;

Receiving the Gospel of Affliction with Joy.

Quote:

1:8 For from you hath sounded forth the word of the Lord, not only in Macedonia and Achaia, but in every place your faith to God-ward is gone forth; so that we need not to speak anything.

Deliverers of the Gospel no longer need to Deliver.

Thus we have some as that great 21st century philosopher, Larry David, would say, "pre-tty good" Irony in the first paragraph of 1 Thessalonians

Joseph

FAITH, n.
Belief without evidence in what is told by one who speaks without knowledge, of things without parallel.

http://www.errancywiki.com/index.php/Main_Page

JoeWallack · 05-06-2008, 06:05 AM

You Took The Words Right Out Of My Mouth

JW:
Criteria:

Quote:

3. Literary form

May not stand on its own but can complement other similarities. Healings of paralytics by Peter (Acts 3:1-10) and Paul (14:8-10) share a common literary form — both contain information about the place, action of the man, word of healing, gesture of healing, immediate occurrence of healing, demonstration of healing, and effect on the crowd (from Lüdeman, Early Christianity, 53).

Sometimes better to speak of distinct literary motifs in common: example, the double visions in each of the conversions of Saul (9:1-19) and Peter (10:1-48).

What is distinctly Markan style is the Contrast. In 1 Thessalonians:

http://errancywiki.com/~errancyw/ind...hessalonians_1

We have the following contrasts:

The Beginning shows no contrast within itself but note that the beginning of "Mark" shows little contrast:

http://www.errancywiki.com/index.php/Mark_1

The second paragraph:

http://www.errancywiki.com/index.php/1_Thessalonians_2

Shows a strong contrast between Believers and "The Jews":

The third paragraph:

http://www.errancywiki.com/index.php/1_Thessalonians_3

Shows a strong contrast between Affliction and Comfort, both caused by Faith.

The fourth paragraph:

http://www.errancywiki.com/index.php/1_Thessalonians_4

Shows a strong contrast between Believers and The Gentiles.

The fifth paragraph:

http://www.errancywiki.com/index.php/1_Thessalonians_5

Shows a strong contrast between Believers and Non-Believers.

Thus we have nice parallels here for Contrasting Style between 1 Thessalonians and "Mark".

"Contrast" is a general literary style though. A more specific style of Contrast is Irony. A general observation is often the Copyist will increase a style to emphasize it. Let's see if there is Irony in 1 Thessalonians and to what extent:

http://www.errancywiki.com/index.php/1_Thessalonians_1

First paragraph:

Theme = Delivery of the Gospel

Contrast = Little

Irony = Deliverers of the Gospel no longer need to Deliver.

http://errancywiki.com/~errancyw/ind...hessalonians_2

Second paragraph:

Theme = Reception of the Gospel

Contrast = Believers and "The Jews"

Irony =

Quote:

2:4 but even as we have been approved of God to be intrusted with the gospel, so we speak; not as pleasing men, but God who proveth our hearts.
...
2:8 even so, being affectionately desirous of you, we were well pleased to impart unto you, not the gospel of God only, but also our own souls, because ye were become very dear to us.

The Deliverers of the Gospel do not please the Receivers but are pleased to have the Gospel received.

Quote:

2:6 nor seeking glory of men, neither from you nor from others, when we might have claimed authority as apostles of Christ.
...
2:20 For ye are our glory and our joy.

The Deliverers of the Gospel do not receive Glory from the Receivers. The Receivers are the Glory of the Deliverers.

Thus we have some as that great 21st century philosopher, Larry David, would say, "pre-tty good" Irony in the second paragraph of 1 Thessalonians

Joseph

FAITH, n.
Belief without evidence in what is told by one who speaks without knowledge, of things without parallel.

http://www.errancywiki.com/index.php/Main_Page

JoeWallack · 05-07-2008, 06:35 AM

You Took The Words Right Out Of My Mouth

JW:
Criteria:

Quote:

3. Literary form

May not stand on its own but can complement other similarities. Healings of paralytics by Peter (Acts 3:1-10) and Paul (14:8-10) share a common literary form — both contain information about the place, action of the man, word of healing, gesture of healing, immediate occurrence of healing, demonstration of healing, and effect on the crowd (from Lüdeman, Early Christianity, 53).

Sometimes better to speak of distinct literary motifs in common: example, the double visions in each of the conversions of Saul (9:1-19) and Peter (10:1-48).

What is distinctly Markan style is the Contrast. In 1 Thessalonians:

http://errancywiki.com/~errancyw/ind...hessalonians_1

We have the following contrasts:

The Beginning shows no contrast within itself but note that the beginning of "Mark" shows little contrast:

http://www.errancywiki.com/index.php/Mark_1

The second paragraph:

http://www.errancywiki.com/index.php/1_Thessalonians_2

Shows a strong contrast between Believers and "The Jews":

The third paragraph:

http://errancywiki.com/index.php?tit...hessalonians_3

Shows a strong contrast between Affliction and Comfort, both caused by Faith.

The fourth paragraph:

http://www.errancywiki.com/index.php/1_Thessalonians_4

Shows a strong contrast between Believers and The Gentiles.

The fifth paragraph:

http://www.errancywiki.com/index.php/1_Thessalonians_5

Shows a strong contrast between Believers and Non-Believers.

Thus we have nice parallels here for Contrasting Style between 1 Thessalonians and "Mark".

"Contrast" is a general literary style though. A more specific style of Contrast is Irony. A general observation is often the Copyist will increase a style to emphasize it. Let's see if there is Irony in 1 Thessalonians and to what extent:

http://www.errancywiki.com/index.php/1_Thessalonians_1

First paragraph:

Theme = Delivery of the Gospel

Contrast = Little

Irony = Deliverers of the Gospel no longer need to Deliver.

http://errancywiki.com/~errancyw/ind...hessalonians_2

Second paragraph:

Theme = Reception of the Gospel

Contrast = Believers and "The Jews"

Irony = Deliverers of the Gospel do not please the Receivers but are pleased to have the Gospel received.

http://errancywiki.com/~errancyw/ind...hessalonians_3

Third paragraph:

Theme = Message of the Gospel, Enduring Affliction

Contrast = Affliction and Comfort

Irony =

Quote:

3:1 Wherefore when we could no longer forbear, we thought it good to be left behind at Athens alone;
...
3:5 For this cause I also, when I could no longer forbear, sent that I might know your faith, lest by any means the tempter had tempted you, and our labor should be in vain.

3:6 But when Timothy came even now unto us from you, and brought us glad tidings of your faith and love, and that ye have good remembrance of us always, longing to see us, even as we also [to see] you;

3:7 for this cause, brethren, we were comforted over you in all our distress and affliction through your faith:

3:8 for now we live, if ye stand fast in the Lord.

The Deliverers of Faith are comforted in their Affliction and given Faith by those they gave Faith to. Nice. Perhaps I've underestimated Paul.

Thus we have some as that great 21st century philosopher, Larry David, would say, "pre-tty good" Irony in the third paragraph of 1 Thessalonians

Joseph

FAITH, n.
Belief without evidence in what is told by one who speaks without knowledge, of things without parallel.

http://www.errancywiki.com/index.php/Main_Page

JoeWallack · 05-10-2008, 05:55 AM

You Took The Words Right Out Of My Mouth

JW:
Criteria:

Quote:

3. Literary form

May not stand on its own but can complement other similarities. Healings of paralytics by Peter (Acts 3:1-10) and Paul (14:8-10) share a common literary form — both contain information about the place, action of the man, word of healing, gesture of healing, immediate occurrence of healing, demonstration of healing, and effect on the crowd (from Lüdeman, Early Christianity, 53).

Sometimes better to speak of distinct literary motifs in common: example, the double visions in each of the conversions of Saul (9:1-19) and Peter (10:1-48).

What is distinctly Markan style is the Contrast. In 1 Thessalonians:

http://errancywiki.com/~errancyw/ind...hessalonians_1

We have the following contrasts:

The Beginning shows no contrast within itself but note that the beginning of "Mark" shows little contrast:

http://www.errancywiki.com/index.php/Mark_1

The second paragraph:

http://www.errancywiki.com/index.php/1_Thessalonians_2

Shows a strong contrast between Believers and "The Jews":

The third paragraph:

http://errancywiki.com/index.php?tit...hessalonians_3

Shows a strong contrast between Affliction and Comfort, both caused by Faith.

The fourth paragraph:

http://www.errancywiki.com/index.php/1_Thessalonians_4

Shows a strong contrast between Believers and The Gentiles.

The fifth paragraph:

http://www.errancywiki.com/index.php/1_Thessalonians_5

Shows a strong contrast between Believers and Non-Believers.

Thus we have nice parallels here for Contrasting Style between 1 Thessalonians and "Mark".

"Contrast" is a general literary style though. A more specific style of Contrast is Irony. A general observation is often the Copyist will increase a style to emphasize it. Let's see if there is Irony in 1 Thessalonians and to what extent:

http://www.errancywiki.com/index.php/1_Thessalonians_1

First paragraph:

Theme = Delivery of the Gospel

Contrast = Little

Irony = Deliverers of the Gospel no longer need to Deliver.

http://errancywiki.com/~errancyw/ind...hessalonians_2

Second paragraph:

Theme = Reception of the Gospel

Contrast = Believers and "The Jews"

Irony = Deliverers of the Gospel do not please the Receivers but are pleased to have the Gospel received.

http://errancywiki.com/~errancyw/ind...hessalonians_3

Third paragraph:

Theme = Message of the Gospel, Enduring Affliction

Contrast = Affliction and Comfort

Irony = Deliverers of Faith are comforted in their Affliction and given Faith by those they gave Faith to.

http://errancywiki.com/index.php?tit...hessalonians_4

Fourth paragraph:

Theme = Reward of the Gospel

Contrast = Believers and The Gentiles

Irony =

Quote:

4:1 Finally then, brethren, we beseech and exhort you in the Lord Jesus, that, as ye received of us how ye ought to walk and to please God, even as ye do walk, --that ye abound more and more.
...
4:3 For this is the will of God, [even] your sanctification, that ye abstain from fornication;

4:4 that each one of you know how to possess himself of his own vessel in sanctification and honor,

4:5 not in the passion of lust, even as the Gentiles who know not God;
...
4:11 and that ye study to be quiet, and to do your own business, and to work with your hands, even as we charged you;

4:12 that ye may walk becomingly toward them that are without, and may have need of nothing.

Believers are instructed to be Passionate about their lack of Passion and the key contrast is the sexual lust of the Gentiles.

The fourth paragraph is blessed with another Ironic contrast:

Quote:

4:13 But we would not have you ignorant, brethren, concerning them that fall asleep; that ye sorrow not, even as the rest, who have no hope.

4:14 For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so them also that are fallen asleep in Jesus will God bring with him.

4:15 For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we that are alive, that are left unto the coming of the Lord, shall in no wise precede them that are fallen asleep.

4:16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven, with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first;

4:17 then we that are alive, that are left, shall together with them be caught up in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.

Those that fall asleep/die first will rise/live before those who have not fallen asleep/died. Remember the words "fall asleep and rise" contrasted with each other.

Thus we have some as that great 21st century philosopher, Larry David, would say, "pre-tty good" Irony in the fourth paragraph of 1 Thessalonians

Joseph

FAITH, n.
Belief without evidence in what is told by one who speaks without knowledge, of things without parallel.

http://www.errancywiki.com/index.php/Main_Page

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