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BH · 07-24-2012, 07:56 PM

I have read a bunch of different websites that claim most of Luke Chapter 9 through most of chapter 18 was inserted spuriously sometime around the 1400's thereabout. Is this true, partially true, or flat out false? Thanks everyone. This section of Luke is called "The Great Insertion" because of its supposed great and late addition.

outhouse · 07-24-2012, 09:24 PM

impossible

I believe if im not mistaken some of that is that is triple tradition. like luke 9-18.

Toto · 07-25-2012, 12:54 AM

It would help if you gave some of the websites.

Google gives me this website with an article by Tony Bushby. Bushby's qualifications were impugned in this thread and this one: he is an entrepreneurial conspiracy theorist who does not have a good track record for accuracy.

Toto · 07-25-2012, 01:04 AM

Some class notes from James Tabor and some other academic sources mention a "great insertion" - but this seems to refer to material in Luke that was inserted into the narrative that Luke took from Mark, NOT to material in current versions of Luke that was not present in the earliest copies.

Preaching Luke's Story describes the great insertion:

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Luke inserts two blocks of material into Mark's outline. The Lesser Insertion is Luke 6:20-8:3, the Sermon on the Plain, two miracles (the healing of the centurion's servant and the raising of the young man at Nain) and the forgiving of the woman in the house of Simon the Pharisee. Luke follows this with the summary statement of the women who follow Jesus and minister to his needs, both stories of women acting in ways chat offend the surrounding culture. The Great Insertion (Luke 9:51-18:14) is the great travel narrative from Galilee to Jerusalem. What Mark covers in one chapter (Mark 10), Luke expands to 10 chapters.

So the great insertion has nothing to do with the 14th century. This sounds like some massive confusion on someone's part.

Roger Pearse · 07-25-2012, 06:13 AM

The passage certainly appears in the 4th century manuscript, the codex Sinaiticus: see for yourself:

http://codexsinaiticus.org/en/manusc...1&zoomSlider=0

The claim originates with a headbanger named Tony Bushby, and an article in Nexus Magazine:

http://www.nexusmagazine.com/index.p...&task=doc_view

In this, he makes the following claim:

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Today, the Gospel of Luke is the longest of the canonical Gospels because it now includes "The Great Insertion", an extraordinary 15th-century addition totalling around 8,500 words (Luke 9:51–18:14).

If we google "great insertion" and Luke, we find that the term actually refers to the comparison of Luke with Mark. This section is where Luke deviates from Mark's text, using material supposedly from Q or at least from some other source. Before, and after, he parallels Mark. The "insertion" is authorial, not 15th century.

I'm afraid Mr Bushby didn't take the time to verify his statements before publishing them.

All the best,

Roger Pearse

BH · 07-25-2012, 06:32 AM

Thanks all. I figured it would wind up being like you all say but I wanted to be sure. Nine chapters is a lot of forgery.

Iskander · 07-25-2012, 07:41 AM

I always thought that The Great Insertion was the title of a porno film. I know better now, thank goodness!

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outhouse Veteran Member Join Date: Feb 2012 Location: Auburn ca Posts: 4,269	impossible I believe if im not mistaken some of that is that is triple tradition. like luke 9-18.

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Toto Contributor Join Date: Jun 2000 Location: Los Angeles area Posts: 40,549	It would help if you gave some of the websites. Google gives me this website with an article by Tony Bushby. Bushby's qualifications were impugned in this thread and this one: he is an entrepreneurial conspiracy theorist who does not have a good track record for accuracy.

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BH Talk Freethought Staff Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: United States Posts: 2,285	Thanks all. I figured it would wind up being like you all say but I wanted to be sure. Nine chapters is a lot of forgery.

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Iskander Veteran Member Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: United Kingdom Posts: 3,619	I always thought that The Great Insertion was the title of a porno film. I know better now, thank goodness!

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