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Sheshonq · 01-29-2008, 10:03 AM

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Tyre has always been a "fishing site", but is certainly not a "mere" fishing site. And I doubt that fishing is now the main economic activity of a city of 100,000 people with a not-especially-large port!

And Ezekiel didn't just predict that it would be "diminished by the nations", he made numerous specific predictions that failed.

Why can't you just admit that the prophecy failed?

Tyre was a great nation that traded many goods and became rich because of it. Trading was its primary and main economic activity whereas today its main economic activity is fishing.

Still making stuff up whenever you think it sounds dramatic for your argument?

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Ezekiel was living during the days of Tyre and Tyre was not a place for the spraeding of nets it was a place for the spreading of trade.

Wrong. Tyre has been a fishing port since before recorded time.

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And answer me this if the nations were predicted as destroying Tyre completely...then why does God says it will be destroyed when He bury it in the sea?

Poetic language. Not literal.

arnoldo · 01-29-2008, 10:06 AM

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Tyre was a great nation that traded many goods and became rich because of it. Trading was its primary and main economic activity whereas today its main economic activity is fishing.

Wrong. Tyre has been a fishing port since before recorded time.

That is an understatement if I ever heard one.

Jack the Bodiless · 01-29-2008, 10:10 AM

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Historically, ancient armies carried the tools and carpenters to build rafts and similar wooden structures, if they didn't actually have those items with them.

Nebby would definitely have had the means to launch some sort of amphibious assault on Tyre. Though, given the magnitude of the defenses, it's possible that he realized an assault would be futile, so he might have gone straight for the siege option: if so, another failed prophecy for Ezekiel, who describes an assault.

It would have been interesting to see a siege against a fortefied Island.

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Against fortifications on land, of course, there would have been no problem. His armies could have stormed the walls directly, backed by siege towers etc. if necessary. Hence the absurdity of the claim that Tyre was on the land yet somehow survived for 13 years.

It does seem absurd that Nebby didn't conquer Tyre. It's not like they were heavily defended or anything.

Does this mean that you now understand the problem?

Tyre on the island -> Nebby failed -> false prophecy by Ezekiel.

Tyre on the mainland (even though it wasn't) -> Nebby victorious (huge empire against 1 city) -> no 13-year siege or compromise settlement. History would have been different. Never happened.

arnoldo · 01-29-2008, 10:11 AM

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It would have been interesting to see a siege against a fortefied Island.
It does seem absurd that Nebby didn't conquer Tyre. It's not like they were heavily defended or anything.

Does this mean that you now understand the problem?

Tyre on the island -> Nebby failed -> false prophecy by Ezekiel.

Tyre on the mainland (even though it wasn't) -> Nebby victorious (huge empire against 1 city) -> no 13-year siege or compromise settlement. History would have been different. Never happened.

I understand you argument. Thank you.

makerowner · 01-29-2008, 10:11 AM

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Wrong. Tyre has been a fishing port since before recorded time.

That is an understatement if I ever heard one.

Can you read? Or are you deliberately misreading what other people write, ie. lying (which gets you sent to the lake of fire, remember)? The prophecy says that Tyre would be made into a place for fishing, with no one living there. It now has over 100 000 inhabitants, some of whom fish. Has the prophecy been fulfilled? No.

arnoldo · 01-29-2008, 10:13 AM

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That is an understatement if I ever heard one.

Can you read? Or are you deliberately misreading what other people write, ie. lying (which gets you sent to the lake of fire, remember)? The prophecy says that Tyre would be made into a place for fishing, with no one living there. It now has over 100 000 inhabitants, some of whom fish. Has the prophecy been fulfilled? No.

Can you quote the specific scripture that failed?

makerowner · 01-29-2008, 10:17 AM

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Can you read? Or are you deliberately misreading what other people write, ie. lying (which gets you sent to the lake of fire, remember)? The prophecy says that Tyre would be made into a place for fishing, with no one living there. It now has over 100 000 inhabitants, some of whom fish. Has the prophecy been fulfilled? No.

Can you quote the specific scripture that failed?

How many times have I done this already? Ez. 26:14: "I will make you a bare rock; you shall be a place for the spreading of nets; you shall never be rebuilt; for I the LORD have spoken, says the Lord GOD." Tyre is not a bare rock, and it has been rebuilt several times since Nebuchadrezzar failed to destroy it. Ez. 26:17: "And they will raise a lamentation over you, and say to you, `How you have vanished from the seas, O city renowned, that was mighty on the sea, you and your inhabitants, [...]" The city never vanished, nor did its inhabitants.

arnoldo · 01-29-2008, 10:18 AM

]Encyclopedia Britanica "After a 13 year seige by Nebucanezzar, Tyre made terms and acknowledged Babylonian suzerainity

makerowner · 01-29-2008, 10:24 AM

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]Encyclopedia Britanica "After a 13 year seige by Nebucanezzar, Tyre made terms and acknowledged Babylonian suzerainity

But the walls were still there, the people were still there, the riches were still there...10 seconds.

arnoldo · 01-29-2008, 10:26 AM

Encyclopedia Britanica: When Nebuchadnezzar broke the gates down...The majority of the people had moved by ship to an island about one-half mile off the coast. The mainland city was destroyed.

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arnoldo Veteran Member Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Latin America Posts: 4,066	]Encyclopedia Britanica "After a 13 year seige by Nebucanezzar, Tyre made terms and acknowledged Babylonian suzerainity

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arnoldo Veteran Member Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Latin America Posts: 4,066	Encyclopedia Britanica: When Nebuchadnezzar broke the gates down...The majority of the people had moved by ship to an island about one-half mile off the coast. The mainland city was destroyed.

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