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Old 02-05-2013, 07:34 AM   #21
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Huller, any ideas about the mythical angle? When you have two brothers, one hirsute and one smooth, that often suggests astrological myths: the sun and the moon.
Ah, astrology. Now that makes damn good sense. Esau, the rough, hairy sun (or son) gets eclipsed by the sneaky, smooth operator. But the sneaky one relies on the other guy just to get noticed, being a mere passive reflector. Now stephan will agree that people have been pushing the smooth operator as impostor for the real deal since 'Clement' and Justin. Though not entirely convincingly, so other imaginary 'stars' have had to be employed, in these here degenerate, democratic, rational days.
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The Samaritans actually have an astrological interpretation of the other pair of brothers in the Bible whose story is closely related - Moses and Aaron. There might be something to it of a secondary nature.
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Careful stephan, or you might come off sounding like a disciple of Acharya S.
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I couldn't be anyone's disciple. I lack the discipline. Just stating the facts about what the Samaritans believe. There's a difference.
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That's probably why black people are so 'into' the Bible.
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Huller, any ideas about the mythical angle? When you have two brothers, one hirsute and one smooth, that often suggests astrological myths: the sun and the moon.
Ah, astrology. Now that makes damn good sense. Esau, the rough, hairy sun (or son) gets eclipsed by the sneaky, smooth operator. But the sneaky one relies on the other guy just to get noticed, being a mere passive reflector. Now stephan will agree that people have been pushing the smooth operator as impostor for the real deal since 'Clement' and Justin. Though not entirely convincingly, so other imaginary 'stars' have had to be employed, in these here degenerate, democratic, rational days.


I'll have to give some rep points for that.
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Justin Martyr identifies the Christian religion as Esau somewhere with hostility against the Jewish "Jacob." Just driving now
I hope its an automatic
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But there was still deception and lies in what God planned anyway and required people to lie to cheat to make the action happen. Even if it was from God, it is still the human's fault for being liars, cheats and adulterers (from having to marry one sister and having sex with another sister Jake loved, while continuing to have sex with a woman he did not love)
Yes but this wasn't a story meant to be taken literally true. Come on. .
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Yeesh, by reading it literally you destroy the beauty of the message, and miss the point entirely.

The authors never intended thi sto be a literal piece. Even redactors didnt make it literal.
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Yes but this wasn't a story meant to be taken literally true. Come on. .
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Yeesh, by reading it literally you destroy the beauty of the message, and miss the point entirely.

The authors never intended thi sto be a literal piece. Even redactors didnt make it literal.
They go through a big song and dance to explain how Jacob didn't know who he was sleeping with until morning.

I must have missed the part about the beauty of the message though - not to mention the point.
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They go through a big song and dance to explain how Jacob didn't know who he was sleeping with until morning.
Hey its ancient Hebrew porn, had to get a 'rise' out of the audience to keep 'em awake.
After listening to all that boring 'begatting', someone wants to hear a good tale 'bout how that begatting got it on.
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