No Robots

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spin

I guess it's better to dangle it in faces, rather than just provide links as I did.


spin

J-D

Then you suppose wrong, since the story given in the OP explicitly and directly contradicts established historical fact, as I have already explained.

Doug Shaver

With hindsight, I see I should have suspected something of that sort. But then, the notion "Hollywood would never make a movie with such an absurd plot" is not often the first that comes to my mind.

Aquila Pacis

(a) Could you please elaborate on the ancient conspiracy allegedly theorized by Carotta? (I seem to have missed something here.)

(b) And who is "Pete"?

:huh:

Toto

Carotta's theories discussed here.

As you know, since you discussed them here. Is your point that Carotta is not really a conspiracy theorist?

Pete is mountainman. He theorizes that Christianity was invented by Constantine and that Eusebius forged the entire Christian canon and all evidence of Christianity before the fourth century.

Aquila Pacis

Thanks for the info. As for Carotta, I sure know a lot about his theory, and I vividly remember our discussions here, but I never found anything in his books and articles or on his website to support the idea that he is a "conspiracy theorist". His theory is that of a so-called diegetic transposition, an error-prone copying, adaptation and translation process. Carotta does not write about a bunch of conspirators being involved in the fabrication of Christianity. The only conspiracy he talks about is the one to assassinate Julius Caesar.

mountainman

No, the claim is that Eusebius was editor-in-chief of the imperial forgery which appear as the books (canon) of the Constantine New Testament (ie: including "The Shepherd of Hermas", etc). Constantine did not obtain the "Canonisation" which he sought. Canonisation was not effected until after Julian's death, with Athanasius. The period of closure, from c.325 to 367 CE saw a few changes to arrive at the modern "Christian Canon". Eusebius forged Josephus, etc.


No, Eusebius had continuators in the imperial art of "Ecclesiastical History" in the 4th and 5th century. Christian forgery and the forgery of christian relics started in earnest in the later 4th century. Christian hagiography - the biographies of the "Christian Saints" was invented by Athanasius in his "Life of Anthony" and soon after there were hundred of Saints reverred in the Roman Empire, and Martyrys. Relics and bones and tourist trade stuff was invented by Pope and Pontifex Maximus Damasius in Rome, after he had killed off his opposition. Forgery has not stopped since. See Oded Golam and the 19th century Papal inspired "Christian Archaeological Committes" of the Vatican.

Doug Shaver

So, you do say that the evidence was all forged, just not all of it by Eusebius?