sugarhitman

'a mind attempting to escape truth is filled with many silly foolish questions and arguments......seeking cover for its failures and lack of faith.....the mind of a turned backed christian'-----Unknown

nightflight

'A mind attempting to escape the hard questions is filled with silly platitudes and proverbs.........seeking to hide its lack of coherence......the mind of a Christian'------------me.

Johnny Skeptic

Which translation do you prefer, or do you intend to refuse to discuss the issue of slavery in detail? The simple truth is that although you might oppose the NIV, your main concern is my arguments, not the NIV. No matter which translation you wish to use, it will show that God is not fair.

Julio

What's this supposed to mean?!... Is it some provocation?...

Underseer

I think it's supposed to be Great Wisdom. We don't understand because we have not been filled with the light of Jesus' love.

Johnny Skeptic

Which translation do you prefer, or do you intend to refuse to discuss the issue of slavery in detail? The simple truth is that although you might oppose the NIV, your main concern is my arguments, not the NIV. No matter which translation you wish to use, it will show that God is not fair.

show_no_mercy

"A witty catchphrase proves nothing"

Johnny Skeptic

Whatever major Bible translation that a person wants to use, the Bible says that God supports slavery. The average sixth grader would be able to comprehend that that is the case based upon the Scriptures that I posted in the opening post.

beforHim

Go here for a good explanation of slavery in the Bible.

I do agree, that even though the Christian God is not supposed to be a "God of confusion", your statement about "The average sixth grader..." can be sympathized with.

Civil1z@tion

25:44
Both thy bondmen, and thy bondmaids, which thou shalt have, shall be of the heathen that are round about you; of them shall ye buy bondmen and bondmaids.
25:45
Moreover of the children of the strangers that do sojourn among you, of them shall ye buy, and of their families that are with you, which they begat in your land: and they shall be your possession.
25:46
And ye shall take them as an inheritance for your children after you, to inherit them for a possession; they shall be your bondmen for ever: but over your brethren the children of Israel, ye shall not rule one over another with rigour.

King James version

All these are Leviticus 25:46

American King James version
And you shall take them as an inheritance for your children after you, to inherit them for a possession; they shall be your slaves for ever: but over your brothers the children of Israel, you shall not rule one over another with rigor.

American Standard version
And ye shall make them an inheritance for your children after you, to hold for a possession; of them shall ye take your bondmen for ever: but over your brethren the children of Israel ye shall not rule, one over another, with rigor.

Basic English Version
And they will be your children's heritage after you, to keep as their property; they will be your servants for ever; but you may not be hard masters to your countrymen, the children of Israel.

Douay-Rheims Version
And by right of inheritance shall leave them to your posterity, and shall possess them for ever. But oppress not your brethren the children of Israel by might.

Darby Bible
And ye shall leave them as an inheritance to your children after you, to inherit them as a possession: these may ye make your bondmen for ever; but as for your brethren, the children of Israel, ye shall not rule over one another with rigour.

English Revised Version
And ye shall make them an inheritance for your children after you, to hold for a possession; of them shall ye take your bondmen for ever: but over your brethren the children of Israel ye shall not rule, one over another, with rigour.

Webster's Bible
And ye shall take them as an inheritance for your children after you, to inherit them for a possession, they shall be your bond-men for ever: but over your brethren the children of Israel, ye shall not rule one over another with rigor.

World English Bible
You may make them an inheritance for your children after you, to hold for a possession; of them may you take your slaves forever: but over your brothers the children of Israel you shall not rule, one over another, with harshness.

A very few bibles leave out the "permanent" slavery part, but they all include the right of passing down the slave to children which makes the no permanent slavery argument atrociously weak even in those versions. Accept it, god wants us gentiles to be Jewish slaves. This parochialism wouldn't seem to correspond to a god which encompasses all of humanity, but it makes a lot of sense for a purely Jewish god.