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Old 10-28-2008, 10:13 AM   #1
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Slavery. People today are false visualizing about the voluntary slavery of Israel and comparing it with the brutal Western system of Slavery. Lets turn to the text and discover the major differences.

"He who kidnaps a man and sells him, or if he is found in his hand, shall surely be put to death." Exodus 22. The Western slave trade depended almost entirely on the above pratices. Israel did not engage in such practices to gain slaves. They bought their slaves who sold themselves into slavery which was a common practice in ancient times.

Slaves who were injured by their masters could gain freedom, the injury paid their debt which was aquired when they sold themselves. Critics will say this was for indentured servents, but seeing that this servent was not free shows that this law were for slaves as well.

"You shall not give back to his master the slave who has escaped from his master to you. He may dwell with you in your midst, in the place which he chooses within one of your gates, where it seems best to him; YOU SHALL NOT OPPRESS HIM." deut. 23

This one law alone destroys the comparison between Israel and Western slavery, as well as the argument that God or Moses supports slavery. If the slaves felt that they were being treated unjustly, and they decide to flee to freedom, no one was to deny them this right. In the West Petty-Rollers patrol the woods and streets preventing and looking for escaped slaves to return them to thier murderous slave masters, Israel was prevented by said law of this cruel hunting. After this law there is no need to go any further in this arguement. That one law alone destroys the accusation of critics concerning God's supposedly support of slavery but lets hear what Jesus says about it.
A much more accurate assessement is as follows:

Item 1

Exodus 21:2-4 (NIV)

"If you buy a Hebrew servant, he is to serve you for six years. But in the seventh year, he shall go free, without paying anything. If he comes alone, he is to go free alone; but if he has a wife when he comes, she is to go with him. If his master gives him a wife and she bears him sons or daughters, the woman and her children shall belong to her master, and only the man shall go free."

Item 2

Exodus 21:12-14 (NIV)

"Anyone who strikes a man and kills him shall surely be put to death. However, if he does not do it intentionally, but God lets it happen, he is to flee to a place I will designate. But if a man schemes and kills another man deliberately, take him away from my altar and put him to death."

Item 3

Exodus 21:20-21 (NIV)

"If a man beats his male or female slave with a rod and the slave dies as a direct result, he must be punished, but he is not to be punished if the slave gets up after a day or two, since the slave is his property."

Item 4

Leviticus 25:44-45 (NIV)

"Your male and female slaves are to come from the nations around you; from them you may buy slaves. You may also buy some of the temporary residents living among you and members of their clans born in your country, and they will become your property. You can will them to your children as inherited property and can make them slaves for life, but you must not rule over your fellow Israelites ruthlessly."

Regarding item 1, please note that after six years, a Hebrew slave gained his freedom, but item 4 shows that slaves from other nations could be forced to be slaves for life. Part of item 4 says "You can will them to your children as inherited property and can make them slaves for life, but you must not rule over your fellow Israelites ruthlessly." That is a good example of racial bigotry, but what else should one expect from a race of people who appointed themselves as God's chosen people. Chosen for what?

Regarding item 2, if a Hebrew deliberately killed another Hebrew, he was put to death, but item 3 shows that if a Hebrew deliberately killed a slave, he was not put to death, only punished, but not punished at all if the slave recovered in a day or two. That is more proof of racial bigotry.
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oh how the skeptics love the corrupt NIV.
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The apostle Paul instructed the slaves to obey their masters in EVERYTHING (Col 3:22).
Preachers say that’s no longer sacred scripture!…
It was divinely inspired for those days…
It went out of fashion by the nineteenth century!!…
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oh how the skeptics love the corrupt NIV.
Yeah. The NIV says in Romans 2:4 that God is TOLERANT. Thanks a lot.
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Oh how the skeptics love the corrupt NIV.
Please explain what you mean.

I will be happy to use any other translation that you wish.
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The apostle Paul instructed the slaves to obey their masters in EVERYTHING (Col 3:22).
Preachers say that’s no longer sacred scripture!…
It was divinely inspired for those days…
It went out of fashion by the nineteenth century!!…
Paul also told Masters to serve slaves.....Just as Jesus taught.
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Oh how the skeptics love the corrupt NIV.
I will be happy to use any other translation that you wish.

Well, er, uh....... Why must you embarrass yourself? You are one of the worst prepared fundies that I have ever debated. All that you usually do is quote the Bible. That is not discussing, it is preaching. Any Muslim or Hindu could come to this forum and do the same thing. Would you like that?
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Oh how the skeptics love the corrupt NIV.
Please explain what you mean.

I will be happy to use any other translation that you wish.
Well, the term “tolerant” is not found in any version based on the Textus Receptus, which means God is NOT to be tolerant.
Otherwise, if God were tolerant, he would not be God! A tolerant God had to be MIGHTY tolerant, or Omni-tolerant, which would be a serious joke about the Almighty.
But think: how could God be tolerant? Therefore, the translators play around with words to satisfy their clientele. The NIV says in the last paragraph of the Preface that it falls short of its goals. And that means: we the translators will IMPROVE it later!… be patient, give us time, thanks…
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The apostle Paul instructed the slaves to obey their masters in EVERYTHING (Col 3:22).
Preachers say that’s no longer sacred scripture!…
It was divinely inspired for those days…
It went out of fashion by the nineteenth century!!…
Paul also told Masters to serve slaves.....Just as Jesus taught.
Sorry, but Paul was smoking hashish that time... he used to contradict himself a lot. One time he CURSED everybody who would teach another gospel then that he received via a private revelation [with no witnesses of any kind]; and the next he said "Bless; curse not." He was insane... you cannot trust an individual who takes drugs to receive the “spirit”…
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Oh how the skeptics love the corrupt NIV.
I will be happy to use any other translation that you wish.

What version of the Bible did Chinese people use in 50 A.D.?

What version of the Bible did native American Indians use in 1500 A.D.?

What version of the Bible do people use who do not know how to read?
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