aguy2

I think I can make a reasonable case that the Saul/Paul dual authors of the Epistles of St. Paul, where in fact leading members of a 'roman legionary covert action, destablization team' that included the future emperor Titus as a junior member.

Namely Catus Decienius and Suetonius Paulinius. With Catus Decienius being the onager (wild ass) 'front man' for the organization ran by a man that had the well earned reputation as a man of great prudence and intellect. A man quite capable of creating the synthesis of Greek and Judiac thought that still forms the constructural framework of what is at least numericially the world's premier religion.

I have access to quite a bit of supportive evidence, but I have a problem with a critical date. I would have Paulinius leaving Rome between 58-60 CE, while Christian tradition says Saul/Paul 'disappeared' in 62 CE. Can anyone help me make a reasonable case that the Roman Christians where counting 62 years from Jesus' birth in 4 BCE?

aguy2

S.C.Carlson

That should be Catus Decianus and C. Suetonius Paulinus.

That's not gonig to work. Christian tradition (here the book of Acts) does not date Paul's end by year. Rather, historians have calculated the year based on the governorships of Felix and Festus mentioned in Acts.

Stephen

aguy2

Thank you Steven,
I guess I will have to go with Catus getting the big promotion to Procurer in 58 CE, gets himself rushed off to the coast with a heavy escort. Being a fellow Procurer he shouldn't have any difficulty securing the cooperation of Felix and later Festus in faking his 2 year imprisonment in Caesaria and 2 year house arrest in Rome. This would bring him back in the scene in 62 or 63 CE which would seem to match up with church history.

There is some scriptural support of this contention in Acts 21:28, where the Jewish leadership in Rome haven't heard a thing about the ruckus he raised in Jerusalem which was supposed to have happened at least 2 years before. There will still be problem with Acts 21:29 where it says he recieved all that came unto him while he is under house arrest, but its only one phrase.

A simple 4 year computational error would have been a lot easy to defend, but I guess I will have to work with what I've got.
Thank you again.
aguy2

Toto

Church history and the dates derived from Acts have a very shakey foundation, so any real hard evidence should trump those. But why pick two Roman officials connected with the Roman occupation of Britain?

aguy2

Character, movitation, opportunity.

aguy2

Toto

OK. How do you place them in Jerusalem? What Jewish connections do you see?

aguy2

An at least 2nd generation Roman of supposedly jewish heritage, whose family business is heavily envolved with the armies quarter master corp, shows up in Jerusalem with a bag of money and the creds to become a pupil of the leading Pharsee teacher. He has orders to widen the gap between the Pharsee and Seducee.

He who gives the orders is very, very busy fighting Berbers in the Atlas Mts.

aguy2

S.C.Carlson

I'd recommend using either "Procurator" or its English meaning "Administrator." "Procurer" connotes a different occupation.

Unfortunately, that's true for everyone...

Stephen

aguy2

Calling Catus a 'pimp' could be construed as a compliment.
Thank you, Steven