semiopen

I was torturing myself recently by looking at creationist stuff and was annoyed that the oldest living things seemed to be about the age of the flood (end of flood presumably).

Turns out this might not be completely accurate.

http://www.extremescience.com/zoom/i...6-longest-life

archaeologist

if i were there I could tell you but take a guess by looking at all the post-flood broken pottery.

Path of the Poles, 1958,1999

No they would not. we still have undeciphered post-flood languages.

You are relying on fallible, corrupt and manipulatible dating systems to draw your conclusions. Not going to work.

You would be wrong as the discoverer of Troy had good data yet could not get 'the club' interested in his find.

He was a doctor and had his own students.

Didn't say that and you would be wrong. We do not need to know the exact date, we just need to accept that it happened and learn from it.

We know the 'why' here we just do not know the exact 'when' outside of it being in noah's 600th year. When that was, is anyone's guess.

Johnny Skeptic

Message to archaeologist: Would you like to discuss the global flood at the Evolution/Creation forum?

Would you like to discuss inerrancy at this forum in a new thread that I could start?

Sai

Hapgood had a PhD? from where? wiki says he didnt finish it.

lets say he did tho. You believe him coz of a Ph D in unrelated field? Why believe him and not the thousands of PhD holders all around the world with degrees related to their work who rightly consider the flood to be tiresome nonsense?

You would be wrong as the discoverer of Troy had good data yet could not get 'the club' interested in his find.

Troy? Isnt that some mythical place? Oh wait, everybody seems to know where it is! Somebody musta looked at some actual data! Funny how that works, if you got the stuff, you win in the end.

Your crackpots tho, they just never can come with none of that data stuff.

You going to explain how your "flood" would destroy all the stone artifacts of the 'antediluvian"? or just stick to your "pottery'?

You are relying on fallible, corrupt and manipulatible dating systems to draw your conclusions. Not going to work.

Nothing will work on a closed mind. You can find no way to demonstrate any errors in ice core dating, you just know they have to be there to make your corrupt fallible many times manipulated book of fairy tales be true according to your unique interpretation.



we just need to accept that it happened and learn from it.


Nope, just exactly what we who care about reality wont do is "just accept".

We dont go with what some "authority" told us then never ever ever change our minds no matter what. That is what the followers of Kim Il Jung are supposed to do. Mao. Pope. No thanks.

We need evidence. There is no evidence for it, but there sure is a lot against it. Just a subset of one religious cult who believes in it. What would a non-hermetically sealed mind think of that?

You need to accept that it didnt happen, and learn from your mistakes.

archaeologist

If you want

Johnny Skeptic

Is that a reply to my post #33?

Spanky

All the heathens must die?

Sai

Some people will swallow anything.

James Brown

Swing and a miss.

Arch, I think you are missing the point. What he's looking for is any writing (deciphered or not) on any dinosaur bones. There is a difference between undeciphered writing and non-existent writing.

I'll see your unproved assertion and raise you: All of the aforementioned dating systems are reliable and agree with a non-deluvian history.

Now, if we're going to settle the difference, each of us will have to bring independent evidence to the table. You go first.

Oh, I heartily disagree. I believe that no knowledge does not need knowing. To reverse that, I believe that all knowledge is worth knowing. There's nothing wrong with knowing the date of an historical event, is there?

One might suspect your waving away the date of the flood is because you know it can't be determined, nor can a reasonable date agree with other human events. Just say, "That's not important. That will be given out on a need-to-know basis. Pay no attention to the man behind the curtain."

I find this type of thinking common among fundamentalists, and I used to hold it myself when I was among their ranks. Of course, they have a long and storied tradition from which to draw. "No, you don't need to know why you shouldn't eat the fruit of the tree of knowledge; just know that it's forbidden. Close your minds and obey."

The gods fear very little, but they fear reason very much.

archaeologist

Two Things: 1. Dinosaurs lived pre and post flood so such artifacts would not be helpful. 2. We do not know what the original language was and it is quite possible that we deciphered it long ago because it was used post-flood.

Consider your source for those dating systems. Created by men who do not believe the Bible and who make errors an base their work upon assumption, ideals but not hard facts.

I brought Hapgood and par for the course he is being trashed.

pretty hard to date the past accurately, don't you think especially when the anceint middle east did not use the same calendars or even the same ones as the modern western world.

Experts greater than you still can't date the past accurately and they are privy to more information than you.

Yes but let's just limit it to one to start.

One reason I reject wiki--it is unreliable. Read the following:

Another reason I ignore most of the content in you rposts.

The rest of your post is typical 'the club' mentality and is ignored.