Steven Carr

As we all know, Christians believe in a physical resurrection, into a perfect incorruptible state.

People will be perfect in every detail

The blind will see and the lame will walk.

People without legs will be given legs. Teeth will be renewed. Hair will be restored.

And , of course, foreskins will be returned to their rightful owners.

As I said, people will be perfect in *every* detail.


What exactly is an incorruptible body? And how could an incorruptible, spiritual body still have wounds?

After all, if I was given a car, supposedly guaranteed against rust and wear, I would be most upset if I found a dent in the side big enough to put my hand in.

How can the Gospels portrayal of a flesh and blood Christ, complete with
wounds, possibly be reconciled with Paul's talk of an incorruptible,
heavenly, spiritual body?

jar

Forty days.

exile

Paul, never having seen Jesus in the flesh, apparently believed in a "spiritual" resurrection. Which casts doubt on the whole thing, of course.

Sign Related

Jesus didnt consider himself a Jew since Jesus himself distanced himself from the Jews in this quote:

John 18:36
Jesus answered, My kingdom is not of this world: if my kingdom were of this world, then would my servants fight, that I should not be delivered to the Jews: but now is my kingdom not from hence.

On a side note, in my book 'the Jews' Jesus is actually meaning is the stars in space.

Anat

Since Judaism doesn't recognize conversions to other religions by born Jews that would imply that if Jesus lived he remained a Jew as long as he survived in any form.

CX

Presumably by noting that such portrayals occur before the ascension. Paul's doctrine is that when the faithful are raised to heaven they are given transformed bodies.

Chili

Is this a serious tread?

But Christian-ity is not a religion but it is the end religion.

Jesus was never a Jew. Jesus was the son of Mary who was betrothed to Joseph and the bible never actually states that Jesus was the son of Joseph.

Mary for sure was not a Jew for she was from Nazareth in Galilee and if Jesus was Mary's son Jesus was not a Jew either. In fact, it is impossible for Mary to be a Jew because it is impossible to be a sinner on both sides and still make it to heaven! In short, all of Jesus' goodness (or Godliness) came from Mary and Joseph just supplied the sin nature to be crucified.

Chili

Interesting about the stars but I do not see it that way just yet.

The fact is that it just is not good enough to walk away from religion and hope that it goes away all on its own if we just look at the stars. It doesn't and didn't for Jesus who needed religion (Judaism) to bring all lose ends to a close. It may be a 100% mythical event but it is an event nonetheless that requires the right things to fall in place at the right time. It did then and still does today.

Anat

Chili, are you saying no Jews lived in the Galilee in the 1st century CE? So what was Josephus doing there, preparing defences against Rome? Who were the people he betrayed in Yodefat? Who was Yohanan of Gush-Halav? Nitai of Arbel (he would have been 1st century BCE)? The expansion of the Hasmonean kingdom brought Jews to the Galilee.

Chili

No I am not looking at Galilee itself nor at history at all. I am just going by what the bible tells us in a backwards kind of way.

There we find there are no churches is the New Jerusalem to say that Jews will never make it to heaven as Jew. This makes religion a means to the end and we see a very nice unfolding of these details in the Gospels.

Where does the non-Jewish Jesus come from? He (sic) comes from Mary of Nazareth in Galilee wherein it can be shown that they do not add any material substance to the transformation argument.