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aa5874 · 05-07-2012, 07:14 PM

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Originally Posted by outhouse

.....The movement started out so small at the time of his death when he was nothing but a traveling peasant teacher/healer in a sea of thousands like him, that the odds of anything within judaism would be pretty much a impossibility.

and if it was roman god-fearer's, were already later then paul

the really good evidence would be a ten year window before paul hunted down and started exterminating the original movement, and the original apostles were all illiterate with possibly Matthew being able to write a little.

Again, more unsubstantiated NEW unattested stories by outhouse. His head is filled with stories.

What did Jesus eat for breakfast??? I never heard so much stories in my life straight off the top of the head.

outhouse · 05-07-2012, 08:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Grog

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Originally Posted by outhouse

If anything would be found it would be late first century at the earliest, and wouldnt be of much help over the evidence we have now.

The movement started out so small at the time of his death when he was nothing but a traveling peasant teacher/healer in a sea of thousands like him, that the odds of anything within judaism would be pretty much a impossibility.

and if it was roman god-fearer's, were already later then paul

the really good evidence would be a ten year window before paul hunted down and started exterminating the original movement, and the original apostles were all illiterate with possibly Matthew being able to write a little.

Evidence suggests that early christians were literate. For example, Paul wrote them letters.

paul was not part of the movement in judaism with the real apostles.

the jewish fishermen/ apostles were illiterate

outhouse · 05-07-2012, 08:07 PM

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Originally Posted by aa5874

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Originally Posted by outhouse

.....The movement started out so small at the time of his death when he was nothing but a traveling peasant teacher/healer in a sea of thousands like him, that the odds of anything within judaism would be pretty much a impossibility.

and if it was roman god-fearer's, were already later then paul

the really good evidence would be a ten year window before paul hunted down and started exterminating the original movement, and the original apostles were all illiterate with possibly Matthew being able to write a little.

Again, more unsubstantiated NEW unattested stories by outhouse. His head is filled with stories.

What did Jesus eat for breakfast??? I never heard so much stories in my life straight off the top of the head.

yawn. :constern01:

la70119 · 05-08-2012, 08:03 AM

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Originally Posted by Juststeve

Grog:

For Paul's letters to reach his intended audience there would only need to be one literate person per congregation to read the letters aloud. Even that would not require full literacy including the ability to write letters in response.

If indeed most first century Christians were literate they would be outliers given the conclusions of secular historians concerning literacy in the first century.

Steve

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Originally Posted by NPR

Price describes the graffiti as "a spontaneous verbal outburst" that adds intimacy to the historical record of the ancient Levant and Mesopotamia.

"These cultures wrote everything," he says. "They recorded their personal lives, their public lives; empires recorded themselves. They were hyperlinguistic."

Here's a link

and another

I purviewed those links, thanks. It's telling that the closest they've found so far to anything Xtian is a message in Greek, "Good luck on your resurrection." There is absolutely no guarantee that this is Xtian. Even Xtian legend states that Paul divided the Sanhedrin over the issue of the resurrection from the dead.

Acts 23

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6 Then Paul, knowing that some of them were Sadducees and the others Pharisees, called out in the Sanhedrin, “My brothers, I am a Pharisee, the son of a Pharisee. I stand on trial because of my hope in the resurrection of the dead.” 7 When he said this, a dispute broke out between the Pharisees and the Sadducees, and the assembly was divided. 8 (The Sadducees say that there is no resurrection, and that there are neither angels nor spirits, but the Pharisees acknowledge them all.)

Kosh · 05-08-2012, 01:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Grog

" In ancient Israel, people also left behind small traces of their lives -- although discussion of belief systems, personal appeals to God, and hopes for the future are more prevalent than the sexual innuendo that adorns the walls of Pompeii."

There was a young man from Pompei
for relations was willing to pay
but he hadn't much money
to get him a honey
and all he could get was a .....

Grog · 05-09-2012, 09:13 PM

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Originally Posted by la70119

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Originally Posted by Grog

Here's a link

and another

I purviewed those links, thanks. It's telling that the closest they've found so far to anything Xtian is a message in Greek, "Good luck on your resurrection." There is absolutely no guarantee that this is Xtian. Even Xtian legend states that Paul divided the Sanhedrin over the issue of the resurrection from the dead.

Acts 23

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6 Then Paul, knowing that some of them were Sadducees and the others Pharisees, called out in the Sanhedrin, “My brothers, I am a Pharisee, the son of a Pharisee. I stand on trial because of my hope in the resurrection of the dead.” 7 When he said this, a dispute broke out between the Pharisees and the Sadducees, and the assembly was divided. 8 (The Sadducees say that there is no resurrection, and that there are neither angels nor spirits, but the Pharisees acknowledge them all.)

My reading of this one is:

Good-bye and thanks for all the fish.

outhouse · 05-09-2012, 09:33 PM

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Good-bye and thanks for all the fish.

LOL what forum do I know this from?

I know its HGtTG, swear ive seen it as a sig before

la70119 · 05-10-2012, 10:30 AM

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Originally Posted by Grog

Good-bye and thanks for all the fish.

Could have been... :constern01:

Tom Sawyer · 05-10-2012, 11:21 AM

If we founds some grafitti along the lines of "WTF? The crucifixion was a doddle so I took a nap. There was no reason to put me in this cave and I am fucking leaving" then that would be a bit of a confirmation for a HJ.

la70119 · 05-10-2012, 11:25 AM

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Originally Posted by Tom Sawyer

If we founds some grafitti along the lines of "WTF? The crucifixion was a doddle so I took a nap. There was no reason to put me in this cave and I am fucking leaving" then that would be a bit of a confirmation for a HJ.

That IS a good one!

And it would be the END of Christianity.

:wave::notworthy:

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Tom Sawyer Talk Freethought Staff Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Toronto, eh Posts: 42,293	If we founds some grafitti along the lines of "WTF? The crucifixion was a doddle so I took a nap. There was no reason to put me in this cave and I am fucking leaving" then that would be a bit of a confirmation for a HJ.

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