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Old 03-27-2006, 08:49 AM   #21
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Come on, Yuri, you're so adamant you have the answer on this - where's the proof?
No, you first. You've agreed that stuff was added to Mt over the years, but you claim "it's minor and irrelevant".

So please provide some evidence of that.

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No, you first. You've agreed that stuff was added to Mt over the years, but you claim "it's minor and irrelevant".

So please provide some evidence of that.
Why soitantly. Although I am less sure of it now, I still think that Mt. 1.22-23 is an interpolation - a duplication to add in a prophecy. If you notice, the prophecy is mentioned as an aside actually disturbing the narrative. The rest of Matthew's prophecies do not interrupt the narrative. However, the author of Matthew could have written it as well. It's on shaky grounds.

Another passage which seems to have been corrupted is 1.16, evidenced by the odd manuscript tradition and the blotchy reading. But like the above, it could hardly matter to the story at hand.
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Why soitantly. Although I am less sure of it now, I still think that Mt. 1.22-23 is an interpolation - a duplication to add in a prophecy. If you notice, the prophecy is mentioned as an aside actually disturbing the narrative. The rest of Matthew's prophecies do not interrupt the narrative. However, the author of Matthew could have written it as well. It's on shaky grounds.

Another passage which seems to have been corrupted is 1.16, evidenced by the odd manuscript tradition and the blotchy reading. But like the above, it could hardly matter to the story at hand.
Chris,

Don't you see the circularity in your argument?

According to you, these particular additions were minor and irrelevant, and therefore _all_ later additions to Mt are minor and irrelevant?

So it looks like you've already excluded a priori all other potential additions that could have been both major and relevant.

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Yuri - I said the ones that I've stumbled upon so far are minor and irrelevant. If you believe that you have an interpolation that greatly affects the whole of the gospel of Matthew, then why don't you say so?
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Yuri - I said the ones that I've stumbled upon so far are minor and irrelevant.
So then how can you make such sweeping assertions as you've been making of late?

Could it perhaps be that you simply haven't studied this matter enough?

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If you believe that you have an interpolation that greatly affects the whole of the gospel of Matthew, then why don't you say so?
One obvious interpolation, the one that is in fact accepted by many professional NT scholars, is that the whole nativity story in Mt was a later addition.

So how about that, my dear friend?

I guess you've missed this one, didn't you?

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So then how can you make such sweeping assertions as you've been making of late?
Because it's true until I find more evidence of interpolations that would greatly affect the overall story of the gospel.

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Could it perhaps be that you simply haven't studied this matter enough?
Perhaps you could quit accusing people and actually bring the evidence to the table.

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One obvious interpolation, the one that is in fact accepted by many professional NT scholars, is that the whole nativity story in Mt was a later addition.
Still using argument from authority, are you?

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So how about that, my dear friend?

I guess you've missed this one, didn't you?
Well, besides that you didn't bring any evidence along with your assertion, there's really nothing to miss, now is there?
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Still using argument from authority, are you?
Well, my argument did show that you're ill-informed about the subject...

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Well, my argument did show that you're ill-informed about the subject...

Yuri.
Au contraire. If you can't even list one argument, that shows that you are not well-informed. Come on, Yuri, this is just pathetic.
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Chris,

Obviously you were unaware of the theories that Mt 1-2 was a later addition. I'm just trying to help you with your education.

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Yuri,

If you were to do so, you would list sources, books, journal articles, especially ones dealing with a large majority consensus which you claim. Instead, you have offered up nothing. Thanks, but no thanks. I don't need any education from someone who is entirely uninformed with the source material. Let me ask you a question, Yuri: What specifically about the birth narrative that appears to be an interpolation? Please, in your own words, describe the linguistic pecularities and any external evidence such as church fathers or omission from manuscripts. The emphasis, however, should probably focus on the internal factors, since I can already tell you that the manuscripts won't be of much help.

I'm looking forward to your assessment.

Until then,

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