Roger Pearse

I have added translations of these to the Additional Fathers:

The 'Marcionite' prologues to the letters of St. Paul

The "Anti-Marcionite" prologues to the Gospels

Both are copyright-free, and copying and reposting is encouraged.

All the best,

Roger Pearse

Ben C Smith

Excellent, Roger. Thanks.

If you ever get the urge to upload English translations of the Monarchian prologues, let me know. I have had the Latin up for a while, but have been really dragging my feet on translating them into English (well, with a little help from Stephen Carlson I did get the Matthean version translated, but not the rest).

Ben.

Steven Avery

Now that is very fascinating. These are Old Latin prologues ? Are they connected to particular manuscripts ? How many are they ? Where can I read about them ? Do we have the basic historical-savvy folks all here on this forum ? (Ben, Stephen, Roger).

And I can see why orthodox Christians might not be enthused to make these documents a part of their historical expositions, since it indicates a church with no vestige of the overt Trinitarian doctrine, with a oneness or Monarchian perspective coming forth in the Latin church. Anyway, that is the sense that I get so far.

Shalom,
Steven
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Roger Pearse

You're welcome. Although if I'd know that you'd done the anti-Marcionite ones, I'd have refrained from doing it again! But a google search turned up nothing. Your pages are truly useful, you know.

Hum.

Mark, the evangelist of God and son in baptism and disciple in the divine word of the blessed apostle Peter, undertaking the priesthood in Israel according to the flesh as a Levite, having been converted to the faith of Christ, wrote the gospel in Italy, *showing in it what was owed both to his race and to Christ* (ostendens...Christo not sure about). For the beginning of the preface has showed that ...

Yuk -- it gets all nasty from there on in, and all in one sentence!

Surely someone must have translated these?

All the best,

Roger Pearse

Roger Pearse

These prologues are present in substantial numbers of the manuscripts of the Latin bible (there are lot of mss of the Latin bible). I have De Bruyne's critical text of the anti-Marcionite prologues here, and he lists a couple of dozen Latin mss. (I was going to write a preface and list them, but got a bit weary -- probably still a good thing to do). For the Monarchian prologues, he gives a reference and says that there are loads.

Roger

Steven Avery

Sounds good. Excellent info. My concern here is the monarchian more than the anti-Maricionite.

Another question. We were discussing Old Latin manuscripts and there are about 30 extant, yet for any section of the gospels maybe 1/3 or 1/2 that number, since they are usually partial. So we can conjecture that less than a dozen would have an extant prologue of any type ? So are we including Vulgate manuscripts here as well ? Assuming that most manuscripts can be clumped on one side or another of that category distinction. What do you think ... I realize this is getting a tad techie.

Shalom,
Steven

Ben C Smith

I wish I knew German. I got my texts from Jürgen Regul, Die antimarcionitischen Evangelienprologe, pages 16, 29-35, and Peter Corssen, Monarchianische Prologe, pages 5-11. I had trouble following the critical apparatus and positively identifying each manuscript, which is why I settled on an apparatus that simply lists variants without sourcing them.

The Catholic Encyclopedia says that the Monarchian prologues are found in most old Vulgate manuscripts. They are also found in medieval gospel texts such as the Lindsfarne gospels.

Ben.

Ben C Smith

Coming from the king of useful web pages, that sounds like a high compliment indeed. Thanks.

Yes. Hence my procrastination.

Not sure. Not on the web, it seems. And I have tried to find English translations in libraries and seminaries to no avail. (Even the Latin was hard to find; I finally found a microfiche of Corssen at the Duke Divinity Library about a year and a half ago when a business trip took me to Durham.)

Ben.

S.C.Carlson

English translations of the Monarchian prologues are found in Daniel J. Theron, Evidence of Tradition (1957), and Bernard Orchard & Harold Riley, The Order of the Synoptics (1987).

Stephen

Ben C Smith

One can always count on Stephen Carlson for the inside scoop on sources, both ancient and modern. :notworthy:

That second book sounds interesting in its own right.

Ben.