shirley knott

And just where in Egypt, to say nothing of the Yucatan and China, can I find this [now adjusted to] 1 mile thick layer of sediment laid by the alleged flood?
Hmmmm?
Just which sediment layer in Egypt
a) is the pre-flood/post-flood boundary layer
b) matches to the pre-flood/post-flood boundary layer in the Yucatan and China?

Why are you avoiding these questions, which are foundational for your notion? Foundational, that is, if you really are committed to data. Don't tell me you asserted the presence of this layer on the basis of something other than verified information that said layers exist?

no hugs for thugs,
Shirley Knott

mung bean

Rest assured that he won't tell you that.:rolling:

Wolfhound

You hit on the meat of it for me, Eric. Dave's claim of a 600 year lifespan (perhaps they were tortoise descendants instead of ape descendants?) caused me to spew coffee this morning. How anybody could believe something so incredibly stupid and absolutely implausable and then try to fabricate "evidence" for it just boggle the mind. Oh, wait, the only "evidence" for such lifespans is the Bible itself. Well, carry on, then. :banghead:

Sven

As I already pointed out in Ev/Cr (here), Dave has an (the?) Ice Age occuring directly after the flood. Yet, for some reason, humans still multiply like rabbits despite large parts of the Earth being covered with Ice (not to mention the devastation the flood left over).

And now, all together:
Carrying Capacity

Pappy Jack

So just to recap so far:

• Evidence for existence of Noah - zero
• Evidence for global flood - zero
• Evidence for date of global flood, 2743 BC after Smyth - zero
• Evidence for sole survival of Noah + 7 family members after said global flood - zero
• Evidence for infant mortality, natal mortality, expected life-spans, net population growth in post-flood population - zero
• Evidence for Babel - zero
• Evidence for 'dispersion' after Babel, 2528 BC after Smyth - zero
• Evidence for founding of Egyptian civilization c. 2400 BC - zero
• Evidence for construction of Khufu's Pyramid in 2170 BC (after Smyth) - zero
• Evidence for 'advanced scientific knowledge' of (non)-Egyptian architects/builder's of Khufu's Pyramid - zero
• Proof for global flood - overwhelming, QEDavestrandum

PS Estimate for population of predynastic settlement at Nekheb c.3000-3500 BC based on archaeological evidence (see, for example, here), is up to 6,000 people. AFD has to accept that Nekheb is one of the earliest settlements in Egypt and the evidence for its existence at the outset of the so-called Dynastic Era of Egypt is persuasive to say the least. According to AFD's figures, Dynastic Egypt was founded some 100 years after around 5,500 Babel-builders suddenly discovered they couldn't speak to each other and slouched off to establish every other civilization in the world. How many of them founded Dynastic Egypt and, realistically, how long would it have taken them to build a population-base capable of supporting an urban settlement of 6,000 people? And please take note of the fact that Nekheb is just one of the urban centres that can be traced back to the early years of Dynastic Egypt (see also Thinis, Sais, Buto, Memphis and Busiris, amongst others).

VoxRat

Remember that J.F. Crow paper that afdave likes to cite? In it, one of the factors that Crow talks about as contributing to the [theoretical] increasing mutational burden of modern humans is the effect of advanced paternal age. What are the chances that afdave will address this little contradiction in his theory?

stp2007

afdave, do you have an explanation for how all the animals, reptiles, insects, birds, bacteria (and everything else on the ark) repopulated the world after the flud?

Every species, represented as a pair, must have had a 100% success ratio of survival otherwise we wouldn't be seeing that species today. That's pretty long odds on a world where EVERYTHING was destroyed and the entire landscape covered by 1 or 2 miles of sediment.

Calilasseia

Plus there's the little matter of the fish.

The demands upon the Ark's space start to look a little bit overwhelming when you factor in all the things that need to be taken on board in order for the repopulation of Earth post-flood to take place. But I'm sure someone will want to start a separate, tangential thread about that too.

Pappy Jack

...and while I'm grinding on about Predynastic and Early Dynastic Egypt, it's interesting to ponder explanations for why the long-lived* monotheistic Babel-builders who set up the Egyptian civilization a little over 100 years after the 'Dispersion' decided to abandon their faith in an all-powerful single deity to establish a parcel of bizarre cults, including those of Horus, Seth, Re, Ptah and Osiris, not to mention dozens of local and tribal gods that were eventually absorbed into the religious orthodoxy of Egypt.
* Note: Noah long out-lived the founding of Egypt according to AFD.

Mike PSS

That kind of seems strange to me too.
I mean, here's Noah and family, happily repopulating the earth (hell, who wouldn't be happy if you could keep going for 600 years) and seeing all this construction and social creation going on.

The first kings of Egypt are beholden to uncle Ham, and I guess Babylon is uncle Shem. And aunt whats-her-face is a world traveller going to exotic places like the orient. Then there's those wacky cousins who got too much from the inbreeding and left to populate Oz (THAT explains a lot actually) and that new continent (you know the ones, always talking about something better on the other side of the hill and can't seem to settle anywhere).

Now what does Noah see before he dies? Why, Egypt and Babylon are polytheist. And LORD knows what the hell is going on in the orient. And those Oz and lost tribes past Siberia, well, they went "native" and lost a lot of what they learned at the Tower (only a couple hundred years past b.t.w.).

So what does Noah do? Does he preach to these wayward folks that...
1) Adam and Eve got evicted from God's Garden because they disobeyed him?
2) Noah himself was appointed by God to protect all life because the people had strayed before the flood and God was going to wipe the slate clean and start over?
3) ALL these people owed their life and livelyhood to God's good grace because of the special protection God gave to Noah's ark during the flood (how else did that ship survive the motor-boat continents and subsequent melting and resolidification of the earth due to accellerated nuclear decay. So THAT'S what that bright light was, the earth in Unified plasma form.)

Well, apparently from those historic records that exist Noah decides to do NOTHING. He's not even mentioned. He's not even understood. Didn't Noah go through that whole Tower incident too? What did THAT feel like I wonder.

So here's a guy; probably the most revered human in existence at the beginning of the Egypt civilization because he witnessed the pre-flood world, was appointed by god (and spoke to god apparently), and has survived over 600 years (a living legend by any other name). And history sees fit to ignore him totally. AND ignore the teachings of God by converting to polytheism.

So god then carries on to enslave then free his "chosen" people in Egypt a couple centuries later through Moses. Then form Israel. Then kill a lot of people during it's formation. Then, having a slight change of heart after 1500 years come to earth himself and preach Peace and Love and expect to be killed with the assistance of those self-same chosen people he freed oh so many years ago.

And on.... and on..... and on....

Until Smyth comes on the scene in the 19th century and explains all this to everyone.


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