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DNAinaGoodway · 09-28-2004, 06:10 AM

That would follow, as God seems to be asexual.

God did reproduce, in the form of Jesus, but apparently sex wasn't involved.

I doubt if the original language of Luke 1:35 would translate to, "...The Holy Ghost shall ejaculate upon thee..."

God couldn't be gay unless there was another male God to have sex with, and God will have no other Gods before him, so it kind of rules that out.

In Genesis 1:26 & 27 God refers to himself in the plural, and as both male and female, so maybe God is androgenus?

Crucifiction · 09-28-2004, 06:18 AM

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Originally Posted by IamMoose

I don't agree with the above

. Surely it is possible to discuss a hypothesis? Well, it would have to be or we'd never have advanced anywhere in life. And people discuss characters on novels. I believe that one can discuss Jesus even if one doesn't even believe that he existed.

Sorry if I missed the point.

I mean, of course you can postulate on it; but Magus implied that we should simply assume that is the truth.

Magdlyn · 09-28-2004, 07:26 AM

At the pesach dinner (or last supper) the beloved disciple rests on Jesus's bosom. You may wonder how uncomfortable that would be.

Until you realize the word "sit" at supper is in the Greek, "recline." We've all seen costume flicks of those decadent Romans reclining at meat? The Bible says Jesus and his homies also reclined to eat.

So, reclining with someone on your bosom would look pretty darn chummy, would it not? Is this any way for a celibate Son of God to act?

The beloved disciple may have been a young guy named John. Or, it may have been Mary Magdelene. Maybe both. Either way, physical and chummy.

NOGO · 09-28-2004, 09:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Magdlyn

At the pesach dinner (or last supper) the beloved disciple rests on Jesus's bosom. You may wonder how uncomfortable that would be.

Until you realize the word "sit" at supper is in the Greek, "recline." We've all seen costume flicks of those decadent Romans reclining at meat? The Bible says Jesus and his homies also reclined to eat.

So, reclining with someone on your bosom would look pretty darn chummy, would it not? Is this any way for a celibate Son of God to act?

The beloved disciple may have been a young guy named John. Or, it may have been Mary Magdelene. Maybe both. Either way, physical and chummy.

Beloved disciple : man or woman ?
Either way this would have been improper behaviour.

CX · 09-28-2004, 09:52 AM

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Originally Posted by Magdlyn

Paul. Not Peter. Peter ( Greek: Cephas or pebble) is part of the myth.

Actually, Peter in Greek is PETRON. CEPHAS is Aramaic.

Magus55 · 09-28-2004, 10:41 AM

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Originally Posted by Vorkosigan

Not an issue here, as you know. In any case, Secret Mark is a forgery, and evidence of Jesus' sexuality being scant, the topic is more interesting for its shock value than for any ability to generate useful data.

It doesn't matter whether its an issue here or not, it is a plausible possibility.

Magus55 · 09-28-2004, 10:43 AM

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Originally Posted by cajela

Magus55, I can't believe that one who claims to be as educated in the bible as you doesn't know the difference between John the Baptist and John the best beloved disciple.

For one, I never said I didn't know the difference, I merely asked for clarification since there is more than one John. And I also never claimed to be highly educated in the Bible. I'm not a Biblical scholar.

Magus55 · 09-28-2004, 10:44 AM

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Originally Posted by Zeda

God also says that murder is wrong, but it seems to be a common pratice with him especially in the OT. Thus, the rules dont apply to him, and him saying homosexualitly is wrong, wouldnt make it wrong for him.

However, I doubt that Jesus was gay, I think it much more likely that he was asexual, as are many people today.

Perhaps you would like to define murder and explain why God's actions are considered murder, and not merely killing.

JTurtle · 09-28-2004, 11:44 AM

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Originally Posted by DNAinaGoodway

Probably been asked before, but I'm curious what BC&H folks think.

There's some question as to whether he married or not. Also the whole Mary Magdelene thing. But cetainly it would have unusual for him not to marry by the age of 30, no?

But he's also recorded as going off into the desert with a disciple or two, was it just to "pray"?

And what about John, the disciple that "Jesus loved'?

Or maybe he was bi-sexual? Or an early advocate of free love?

No Jesus was not gay. What kind of question is that?! There is ABSOLUTELY no evidence to support this claim. Jesus never married, why? Because he did not come to get married. In regards to you claiming that Jesus is homosexual because he loves John, this is absurd. Do you not love the males in your life?! I love my father. I love my cousins. I love my male friends. But not in a sexual perverted love. In a brotherly love. The same love that Jesus showed to everyone, regardless of their sex.

Jonathan

09-28-2004, 05:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Magus55

For one, I never said I didn't know the difference, I merely asked for clarification since there is more than one John. And I also never claimed to be highly educated in the Bible. I'm not a Biblical scholar.

Sorry, Magus55. I'd read some other threads where you seemed to talk quite knowledgably about christianity and the bible, so this took me by surprise. I didn't mean to misrepresent you. I don't think you need to be a serious Biblical scholar to know the difference, but since you obviously do and I misread you, that's not an issue.

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Originally Posted by Magdlyn

Until you realize the word "sit" at supper is in the Greek, "recline." We've all seen costume flicks of those decadent Romans reclining at meat? The Bible says Jesus and his homies also reclined to eat.

So, reclining with someone on your bosom would look pretty darn chummy, would it not? Is this any way for a celibate Son of God to act?

Amusing, but why not? Everybody did it then. Movies of "decadent Romans" show that they reclined at table in exactly the same way that nondecadent, conservative Romans did.

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Magdlyn Veteran Member Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Massachusetts Posts: 2,230	More evidence Jesus is gay (or maybe bi?) At the pesach dinner (or last supper) the beloved disciple rests on Jesus's bosom. You may wonder how uncomfortable that would be. Until you realize the word "sit" at supper is in the Greek, "recline." We've all seen costume flicks of those decadent Romans reclining at meat? The Bible says Jesus and his homies also reclined to eat. So, reclining with someone on your bosom would look pretty darn chummy, would it not? Is this any way for a celibate Son of God to act? The beloved disciple may have been a young guy named John. Or, it may have been Mary Magdelene. Maybe both. Either way, physical and chummy.

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DNAinaGoodway Regular Member Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: 71d47m30sW 42d17m30sN Posts: 396	That would follow, as God seems to be asexual. God did reproduce, in the form of Jesus, but apparently sex wasn't involved. I doubt if the original language of Luke 1:35 would translate to, "...The Holy Ghost shall ejaculate upon thee..." God couldn't be gay unless there was another male God to have sex with, and God will have no other Gods before him, so it kind of rules that out. In Genesis 1:26 & 27 God refers to himself in the plural, and as both male and female, so maybe God is androgenus?

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