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stephan huller · 12-08-2010, 09:08 PM

If we are to buy into this conspiracy theory we are supposed to believe that Eusebius went around establishing a 'false history' of the Church and 'inventing' the Christianity of Origen and various Origenists throughout the earlier period. Yet Eusebius doesn't mention even so much as once Methodius of Olympia, the first historical opponent of Origen. How can this be explained. From Wikipedia:

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Few reports have survived on the life of this first scientific opponent of Origen; even these short accounts present many difficulties. Eusebius does not mention him in his Church History, probably because he opposed various theories of Origen. We are indebted to Saint Jerome for the earliest accounts of him[1]. According to him, Methodius was Bishop of Olympus in Lycia and afterwards Bishop of Tyre. The latter statement is not reliable; no later Greek author knows anything of his being Bishop of Tyre; and according to Eusebius[2], Tyrannio was Bishop of Tyre during the persecutions of Diocletian and died a martyr; after the persecution Paulinus was elected bishop of the city. Jerome further states that Methodius suffered martyrdom at the end of the last persecution, i.e., under Maximinus Daia (311). Although he then adds, "that some assert", that this may have happened under Decius and Valerian at Chalcis, this statement (ut alii affirmant), adduced even by him as uncertain, is unlikely. Various attempts have been made to clear up the error concerning the mention of Tyre as a subsequent bishopric of Methodius; it is possible that he was transported to Tyre during the persecution and died there

spin · 12-09-2010, 05:29 AM

You're spending too much time on this rubbish. It's only voodoo that keeps it alive.

spin

stephan huller · 12-09-2010, 08:01 AM

Perhaps but I am learning things in the process. I didn't realize that Eusebius didn't mention Methodius which in turn demonstrates how apologetic the Ecclesiastical History is - especially for Origen and the Alexandrian tradition. Without Eusebius I wonder how Alexandria would have been included in a world history of the Church. I think it helps explain why Eusebius was granted Imperial favor. I think he represents a prominent figure associated with Alexandrianism who embraced the reforms of Constantine, a kind of anti-Arius.

Besides I think I have finally beaten them into submission ...

avi · 12-09-2010, 10:06 AM

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Besides I think I have finally beaten them into submission ...

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Sheshbazzar · 12-09-2010, 02:45 PM

The old time catholic error. If our opinions dominate all discussion, we win.

stephan huller · 12-09-2010, 02:56 PM

You win then. Some victory. My only interest was to study the phenomenon of mass delusion.

Sheshbazzar · 12-09-2010, 04:35 PM

Our perception is, that you, representative of the mainstream popular opinion, are the willingly deluded participants in the phenomenon of mass delusion.
After all, you have all the 'experts', millions of believers, and massive 'educated' opinion, on your side, all readily swallowing your line of swill.
That two or three individuals on this forum might be found disagreeing with you hardly amounts to us properly being described as being any 'mass'.

Your opinions are the ones that currently hold sway over the field of 'history' by a margin of several millions to one.
We of course, who don't subscribe to your official version of church history, are only the 'losers', of 'the lunatic fringe'.
A tiny 'nuisance' minority that you desire to put to silence.
Your position therefore is the 'catholic' one, of might makes right.

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12-09-2010, 05:29 AM	#2
spin Contributor Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: nowhere Posts: 15,747	You're spending too much time on this rubbish. It's only voodoo that keeps it alive. spin

12-09-2010, 08:01 AM	#3
stephan huller Veteran Member Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: seattle, wa Posts: 9,337	Perhaps but I am learning things in the process. I didn't realize that Eusebius didn't mention Methodius which in turn demonstrates how apologetic the Ecclesiastical History is - especially for Origen and the Alexandrian tradition. Without Eusebius I wonder how Alexandria would have been included in a world history of the Church. I think it helps explain why Eusebius was granted Imperial favor. I think he represents a prominent figure associated with Alexandrianism who embraced the reforms of Constantine, a kind of anti-Arius. Besides I think I have finally beaten them into submission ...

12-09-2010, 02:45 PM	#5
Sheshbazzar Veteran Member Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: On the path of knowledge Posts: 8,889	The old time catholic error. If our opinions dominate all discussion, we win.

12-09-2010, 02:56 PM	#6
stephan huller Veteran Member Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: seattle, wa Posts: 9,337	You win then. Some victory. My only interest was to study the phenomenon of mass delusion.

12-09-2010, 04:35 PM	#7
Sheshbazzar Veteran Member Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: On the path of knowledge Posts: 8,889	Our perception is, that you, representative of the mainstream popular opinion, are the willingly deluded participants in the phenomenon of mass delusion. After all, you have all the 'experts', millions of believers, and massive 'educated' opinion, on your side, all readily swallowing your line of swill. That two or three individuals on this forum might be found disagreeing with you hardly amounts to us properly being described as being any 'mass'. Your opinions are the ones that currently hold sway over the field of 'history' by a margin of several millions to one. We of course, who don't subscribe to your official version of church history, are only the 'losers', of 'the lunatic fringe'. A tiny 'nuisance' minority that you desire to put to silence. Your position therefore is the 'catholic' one, of might makes right.

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