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Old 02-20-2008, 11:55 AM   #331
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For one thing if Tyre is such an obvious "failed prophecy" woudln't you expect there to be comments by ancient historians pointing this out? My personal belief is that it didn't begin to be spun as a "failed prophecy" until the minimalist movement began.
Please do not throw around the term "minimalist." It has a specific reference to a school of thought regarding the archeology of ancient Israel that is not applicable here. For reference, please read this essay by Philip Davies.
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True. Minimalism (which even I don't accept in full) concerns the OT not the NT.

As for Porphyry...

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Porphyry (234?–305? C.E.) was a Neoplatonist philosopher born in Tyre in Phoenicia.

You mean he was born in a city which had been scraped down to bare rock and never re-built? How is that possible?
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Richbee's Evasion Continues . Just a quick question on Nebby's 13 year siege. Is it the opposing view that the siege was against the Island Tyre or the mainland "Ushu"?
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For one thing if Tyre is such an obvious "failed prophecy" woudln't you expect there to be comments by ancient historians pointing this out? My personal belief is that it didn't begin to be spun as a "failed prophecy" until the minimalist movement began.
Please do not throw around the term "minimalist." It has a specific reference to a school of thought regarding the archeology of ancient Israel that is not applicable here. For reference, please read this essay by Philip Davies.
Sorry, I know you allow terms like fundies and inneranists though. Can I call y'all skepies?
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Please do not throw around the term "minimalist." It has a specific reference to a school of thought regarding the archeology of ancient Israel that is not applicable here. For reference, please read this essay by Philip Davies.
Sorry, I know you allow terms like fundies and inneranists though. Can I call y'all skepies?
It's not a question of insults or pet names. Fundie and inerrantist have fairly well defined meanings. It appears that you were misusing the term "minimalism" to mean something other that its common understood meaning.

I'm still waiting for you to actually do some homework and post something other than artless questions. That would be
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These questions should show you the uselessness of trying to make anything out of Ezekiel's Tyre prophecy.
  1. Is Tyre the island as indicated in the Amarna letters and the Assyrian inscriptions?
  2. Is Tyre separate from Ushu as indicated in the Amarna letters and the Assyrian inscriptions?
  3. Is Ushu the mainland source for Tyre's secure water supply as indicated in the Amarna letters?
  4. Was Ushu at times under the control of Tyre?
  5. Was Ushu several kilometers south of Tyre near stable sources of water?
  6. Is Tyre now destroyed, never having been rebuilt?

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Did Nebby lay siege to Tyre or Ushu for 13 years?
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Tyre. And it is still there. And it was still there for Alexander. And it was still there when the Romans came calling. And it was still there when "Matthew" says Jesus dropped by for tea. And so on...up to the present.
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Did Nebby lay siege to Tyre or Ushu for 13 years?
It doesn't matter since 100% percent disputable prophecies in any religious book is sufficient evidence that the God(s) of that religious book does not exist. No rational God would make even one disputable prophecy because that would harm his reputation.

Micah 5:2 says “But thou, Bethlehem Ephratah, though thou be little among the thousands of Judah, yet out of thee shall he come forth unto me that is to be ruler in Israel; whose goings forth have been from of old, from everlasting.” If Micah had predicted that the messiah would rule a heavenly kingdom instead of an earthly kingdom like Micah misled the Jews to believe, and had predicted that the messiah would heal people, and that the messiah would be crucified, buried, and rise from the dead in three days, and that Pontius Pilate would become the Roman governor of Palestine, and that Herod would become the King of Judea, would you like to claim that not even one more Jew would have accepted Jesus?

If Pat Robertson accurately predicted when and where some natural disasters would occur, would you like to claim that not even one non-Christian would become a Christian as a result?

If you refuse to reply to this post, I will repost it as frequently as necessary in order to show the undecided crowd that you are not nearly as confident of your argumments as you pretend you are.
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