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Old 10-23-2012, 10:12 PM   #1
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Default Platonism in the Rabbinic Literature

And should you ask, in those years during which the Almighty will renew his world, as it is written, And the Lord alone shall be exalted in that day,(Isa. 2, 11, i.e. during this era of change the universe will be totally destroyed) what will the righteous do? — The Lord will make them wings like eagles', and they will fly above the water, as it is written, Therefore we will not fear when the earth be removed and the mountains be carried into the midst of the sea. (Ps. 44, 3) And should you imagine that they will suffer pain — therefore Scripture saith, But they that wait upon the Lord shall renew their strength; they shall mount up with wings as eagles; they shall run and not be weary; and they shall walk and not faint.(Isa. 40, 31) [Sanhedrin 92b]
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I gave up after the title of the gratuitous Portuguese thread, but this thread's existence implies I read that title wrong. :Cheeky:
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Bupkes, but that is just his shtick. Meshugaas.
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No you read the title right. I just changed my mind. In life, there is no reason to take anything or anyone - not even yourself seriously. I send out these little messages in a bottle in each thread I start. If someone comes back with something interesting it's worth it.
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Messages in a bottle always make me think of guys in their underwear trying to stab my son.

I'll leave you to figure that out.
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The reason I bring this up is because there is a consistent emphasis on this idea in early Targumic literature. Exod 19:4 Neofiti: 'I have born you on the clouds of the Glory of my Shekhinah upon the wings of swift eagles and brought you nigh to the instruction of my Law.' This was subsequently changed in the margins to rid the anthropomorphic description of God but the passage is not isolated. Compare the received text "You yourselves have seen what I did to Egypt, and how I carried you on eagles' wings and brought you to myself."
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What's the platonism here?
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And should you ask, in those years during which the Almighty will renew his world, as it is written, And the Lord alone shall be exalted in that day,(Isa. 2, 11, i.e. during this era of change the universe will be totally destroyed) what will the righteous do? — The Lord will make them wings like eagles', and they will fly above the water, as it is written, Therefore we will not fear when the earth be removed and the mountains be carried into the midst of the sea. (Ps. 44, 3) And should you imagine that they will suffer pain — therefore Scripture saith, But they that wait upon the Lord shall renew their strength; they shall mount up with wings as eagles; they shall run and not be weary; and they shall walk and not faint.(Isa. 40, 31) [Sanhedrin 92b]
It must be true, it's in King James English.

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Messages in a bottle always make me think of guys in their underwear trying to stab my son.

I'll leave you to figure that out.
I've been informed that the above post has caused confusion and there is an actual implied possibility of real world violence.

There was no such intent and I thought the two references were fairly obvious, but here's the explanation to clear up the confusion:

"Message In a Bottle" is a comparatively well known Pop single by the British band "The Police", the lead singer of which goes by the name of Sting, and has had a somewhat successful solo career since the dissolution of the band.



In one of several questionable moves David Lynch cast Sting, who had no acting experience that I'm aware of, as Feyd-Rautha Harkonnen in his memorable but not acclaimed 1984 theatrical adaptation of Frank Herbert's novel Dune.

One of the more over the top scenes, Sting has a rather counter-intuitive knife fight with the protagonist Paul Atreides, played Kyle MacLachlan of equally dubious acting ability. Paul Atreides is the son of the Duke Leto Atreides, obviously the source of username. (This clip also features a phoned in performance by Jean-Luc Friggin' Picard himself.)



Of course I misremembered the scene, in which the characters do not strip down for the fight. This did happen in the novel. To get gratuitous Sting in a speedo action, you have to go a couple hours earlier in the film. The following clip is a dubbed version and I'm too lazy to look for another. I'd like to say the dub is in Portuguese for added thread relevance, but it is apparently Italian.



For bonus referentiality points, (most of) the film's score was composed by the 80's synthesizer band Toto. I am virtually sure our Toto did not get his name from the band.

In real life I, like Macbeth, have no children. There is a 15 1/2 year old cat who I declined to euthanize yesterday, and he is unfortunately unlikely to survive the next 48 hours.
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Messages in a bottle always make me think of guys in their underwear trying to stab my son.
Of course I misremembered the scene, in which the characters do not strip down for the fight. This did happen in the novel.
Hmmm, I thought you were the father of the boy being chased by the other half nekkid boys in Lord of the Flies.

So, are you a lover of Book Dune over Movie Dune? While the movie's main characters were played by men of dubious acting skills, I thought the book's characters were a little cliche and the storyline weak.

My short term girlfriend Shirley G was offended when I bought her the VCR version of Dune because she felt it didn't exactly follow the book.

As an irrelevant comment, I will add that there are cases where both the book and movie were good. The movie Tinker Tailor Soldier Spy was not exactly like the book, but I found both book and movie very entertaining.

Movies are all different, even when based on the same book. The Swedish made movie Girl with the Dragon Tattoo was, IMHO, much richer than the English language movie rendering (by bringing in more elements from the trilogy), even though the latter received more acclaim (possibly because it reached a broader audience).

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PS: Please notice that I placed your quote ahead of my reply as a concession to your sensibilities. I have Toto's album Toto IV (on vinyl) because I loved the song 'Africa.'
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