Johnny Skeptic

Message to arnoldo: Is it your position that God is unable to provide additional evidence that would cause more people to love and accept him without unfairly interfering with their free will, or unwilling?

blastula

How can you tell a self-fulfilled prophecy is not a true prophecy?

arnoldo

Uhhh.. Israel is back in the land, dontcha' think they will eventually build a temple? :huh:

arnoldo

Right, King David will rule over Israel along with another person.

arnoldo

[QUOTE=xaxxat;5195593]Uhhh. care to state what the borders promised to Abraham were?

Johnny Skeptic

All that is takes to self-fulfill a prophecy is the belief that it is true, and enough military power to make it come true. If the Koran said that a Muslim temple would be rebuilt in Mecca, and a temple was rebuilt in Mecca, Christians would consider the to be a self-fulfilled prophecy, but why? It is up to Christians to reasonably prove that if Abraham falsely believed that God made a land promise to him and his descendants that the Partition of Palestine would not have happened anyway.

If Jewish and Palestinian history had been reversed, and Hitler and other parties had persecuted Palestinians instead of Jews, the 32 Christian nations that voted in favor of the partition would have awarded control of Jerusalem to the Palestinians, and a grossly disproportionate amount of land per capita like the Jews got. Everyone knows that that would not have happened, which proves that the Partition of Palestine was a self-fulfilled prophecy. If is much too much of a coincidence that 32 of the 33 governments that voted for the Partition of Palestine were Christian governments, and that 12 of the 13 governments that voted against the Partition of Palestine were non-Christian governments, and one government, the Greek government, was nominally Christian.

This proves that one of the motives for the U.N. vote was not to provide a homeland for persecuted Jews as many Christians claim, but to try to fulfill Bible prophecy.

Toto

The current government of Israel knows that building another Temple on the Temple Mount might provoke World War III, and they have no plans for that.

Besides, the only reason for rebuilding the Temple is to resume animal sacrifices, and for that they need a red heifer with no white hairs. There was a special breeding program that made the news a few years ago, involving American evangelicals who wanted to provoke the second coming and Jewish nationalists who wanted to rebuild the Temple; but so far there has been no suitable kosher red heifer. Is YHWH telling them something?

xaxxat

[QUOTE=arnoldo;5195662]You don't know? How can you say Israel is restored?

:banghead:

arnoldo

The "red heifer" is irrelevant. The second temple was built lacking many items, including the ark of the covenant, and yet it was still built.

arnoldo

[QUOTE=xaxxat;5195720]Easy, Israel was destroyed in 70 AD and restored in 1948 AD. Get it?