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Sai · 10-01-2009, 06:57 AM

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Now, now, he saw people listening to Satan's Music and pumping their fist in the air while saying "Hail Satan!" - obviously, they wouldn't do that if he didn't exist.

Yes, I used to have friends that worshipped Satan through the power of satanic black metal.

No, it's not all in my head. I speak the truth. Why would I lie about my friends worshipping Satan through death metal music? Heck, I'm the one who got them listening to that stuff when we were kids. The problem is, they still listen to it, and I have moved on. I used to live a very evil and wicked life. I would go to the CD store and look for music that condemned God. Now I look for music that glorifies God. God turned my life around.

I've never preached to my friends, nor have I preached to my family. I usually say "we are living in the end times", but that's about it. And yes, I have had encounters with demons and spirits. I was sitting in my bedroom when I was a teen, and we were listening to VENOM (7 GATES OF HELL) and we were chanting "praise satan!!" and the next thing we saw was my doorknob turning very slowly, we rushed to the door and opened it and no one was there. We told my father about the experience the next morning, and he told us, you are welcoming Satan in your soul. He smashed all of the CD's. :banghead:

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I do like the way he not-so-subtly reveals his dislike for us - since he thinks we are fit only to be thrown out and trampled by men. I'm glad he doesn't say we're going to hell! :Cheeky:

I do not dislike anyone. I said a person who becomes an unbeliever are thrown out and trampled by man. But ONLY you can change that. Everyday you're above ground is a day you can make that change. Me personally, I think it's sheer lunacy to die an atheist. Because you just never know what door will open for you.

You find that lunatic; we find it lunatic that anyone believes that "god" would toss him a meteor, that daemons come to turn his doorknob; that earthquakes are sent by god as punishment and warning; that there was a "great flood"; that diversion of a river is a sign of the end of the world.

If it quacks....

IBelieveInHymn · 10-01-2009, 07:08 AM

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Originally Posted by DrZoidberg

I think this is very funny. Atheism is a matter of being convinced by an argument. The fact that fewer and fewer people are being convinced of theism is here used as evidence for it's truth. :huh:

Atheism is for those who don't understand what was written. Atheism doesn't have an argument against God. It's scientifically impossible to dismiss God on any level. The day you can disprove Jesus wasn't God is the day I will consider atheism to hold any truth or accuracy. Atheism is nothing but a crazy assumption.

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Imagine using this in court. "Your honour, I know my client was found on the scene of the crime with the blood stained knife in her hand, but doesn't this point to the fact that she is innocent?" The answer is obviously "no". Christianity being unconvincing, doesn't need Satan. All it needs is weak arguments.

Maybe someone placed that knife in her hand to frame her of the murder? That's the atheist problem. They never investigate every possible angle. They believe what's in front of them, instead of standing back and looking at the entire painting.

If John Doe is arrested for killing Jane Doe in their house, and the FBI knows for a fact that Mr. Doe did kill Mrs. Doe, but Mr. Doe didn't leave any evidence for officials to find.. Does that mean John didn't kill Jane?

Lack of evidence against God is a weak argument. I can do many, many different things and not leave behind a single clue of evidence.

What argument does an atheist have against the existence of God?

he doesn't exist because there is no evidence of him? That is a weak argument, at best.

dog-on · 10-01-2009, 07:10 AM

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Originally Posted by IBelieveInHymn

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Originally Posted by DrZoidberg

I think this is very funny. Atheism is a matter of being convinced by an argument. The fact that fewer and fewer people are being convinced of theism is here used as evidence for it's truth. :huh:

Atheism is for those who don't understand what was written. Atheism doesn't have an argument against God. It's scientifically impossible to dismiss God on any level. The day you can disprove Jesus wasn't God is the day I will consider atheism to hold any truth or accuracy. Atheism is nothing but a crazy assumption.

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Imagine using this in court. "Your honour, I know my client was found on the scene of the crime with the blood stained knife in her hand, but doesn't this point to the fact that she is innocent?" The answer is obviously "no". Christianity being unconvincing, doesn't need Satan. All it needs is weak arguments.

Maybe someone placed that knife in her hand to frame her of the murder? That's the atheist problem. They never investigate every possible angle. They believe what's in front of them, instead of standing back and looking at the entire painting.

If John Doe is arrested for killing Jane Doe in their house, and the FBI knows for a fact that Mr. Doe did kill Mrs. Doe, but Mr. Doe didn't leave any evidence for officials to find.. Does that mean John didn't kill Jane?

Lack of evidence against God is a weak argument. I can do many, many different things and not leave behind a single clue of evidence.

What argument does an atheist have against the existence of God?

he doesn't exist because there is no evidence of him? That is a weak argument, at best.

Dragons, faries, leprachauns and, of course, trolls, all concur.

Sai · 10-01-2009, 07:30 AM

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Originally Posted by IBelieveInHymn

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Originally Posted by DrZoidberg

I think this is very funny. Atheism is a matter of being convinced by an argument. The fact that fewer and fewer people are being convinced of theism is here used as evidence for it's truth. :huh:

Atheism is for those who don't understand what was written. Atheism doesn't have an argument against God. It's scientifically impossible to dismiss God on any level. The day you can disprove Jesus wasn't God is the day I will consider atheism to hold any truth or accuracy. Atheism is nothing but a crazy assumption.

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Imagine using this in court. "Your honour, I know my client was found on the scene of the crime with the blood stained knife in her hand, but doesn't this point to the fact that she is innocent?" The answer is obviously "no". Christianity being unconvincing, doesn't need Satan. All it needs is weak arguments.

Maybe someone placed that knife in her hand to frame her of the murder? That's the atheist problem. They never investigate every possible angle. They believe what's in front of them, instead of standing back and looking at the entire painting.

If John Doe is arrested for killing Jane Doe in their house, and the FBI knows for a fact that Mr. Doe did kill Mrs. Doe, but Mr. Doe didn't leave any evidence for officials to find.. Does that mean John didn't kill Jane?

Lack of evidence against God is a weak argument. I can do many, many different things and not leave behind a single clue of evidence.

What argument does an atheist have against the existence of God?

he doesn't exist because there is no evidence of him? That is a weak argument, at best.

Oh yes....weak arguments. The truth of the bible rests on the truth of what is in it, like the story of Noahs ark.

You cant find a weaker argument than the ones for a world wide flood. Weak argument would be the best you could say, but actually the arguments are fraud and nonsense.

No flood=bible phony=god phony.

Best to argue about obscure greek words rather than look at the elephant in the room.

Fraud and humbug my friend, and you say WE are the ones who dont understand! Funny.

IBelieveInHymn · 10-01-2009, 07:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Sai

Oh yes....weak arguments. The truth of the bible rests on the truth of what is in it, like the story of Noahs ark.

What does this have to do with the existence of God?

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You cant find a weaker argument than the ones for a world wide flood. Weak argument would be the best you could say, but actually the arguments are fraud and nonsense.

Polystrate fossils (vertical fossil tree trunks) that are found worldwide indicate turbulent or rapid deposition. A global flood would be required to do this worldwide.

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No flood=bible phony=god phony.

I've proven a flood occurred. No matter how many photoshop pictures you provide from flicker, I will prove it's false.

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Fraud and humbug my friend, and you say WE are the ones who dont understand! Funny.

You don't understand. You think you do, but you don't.

Amaleq13 · 10-01-2009, 08:05 AM

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Originally Posted by IBelieveInHymn

Polystrate fossils (vertical fossil tree trunks) that are found worldwide indicate turbulent or rapid deposition. A global flood would be required to do this worldwide.

They might be found all over the world but they aren't the same age and they aren't in the same layer which is what one would expect if they were caused by a single worldwide event.

And this topic belongs in E/C, not BC&H. Go there to learn something about the subject, please.

Sai · 10-01-2009, 08:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Sai

Oh yes....weak arguments. The truth of the bible rests on the truth of what is in it, like the story of Noahs ark.

What does this have to do with the existence of God?

Polystrate fossils (vertical fossil tree trunks) that are found worldwide indicate turbulent or rapid deposition. A global flood would be required to do this worldwide.

I've proven a flood occurred. No matter how many photoshop pictures you provide from flicker, I will prove it's false.

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Fraud and humbug my friend, and you say WE are the ones who dont understand! Funny.

You don't understand. You think you do, but you don't.

What does it have to do with the existence of god? If the bible is false?
you tell me.

Your claim to have proven a world wide flood is a flat out lie. Not nice to bear false witness, i hear its against the rules.

You certainly have never studied geology. You are out of your league here
so speak for yourself when you say who thinks he understands.

I know perfectly well what "polystrate fossils" are.

You can find some forming outside Anchorage Alaska where the earthquake in the 60s sank that section of forest into salt water. Trees are still standing, and they are being buried in layers of sediment as they stand.

People such as yourself with no notion about geology are very easy to satisfy with any phony "evidence". And like you, give a big shopping list of examples of their "flood".

Any one example can be disproved, easily. And the next, and the next.

Im not the one with photoshop pictures from flicker, I dont even know what that is.

But im the one who challenged first, to provide a specific example of something to prove there was a flood. Give me one. Like one specific polystrate fossil, one anything. Go for it.

oh... how long ago do you think this 'flood" happened?

Deus Ex · 10-01-2009, 08:57 AM

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Originally Posted by IBelieveInHymn

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Originally Posted by DrZoidberg

I think this is very funny. Atheism is a matter of being convinced by an argument. The fact that fewer and fewer people are being convinced of theism is here used as evidence for it's truth. :huh:

Atheism is for those who don't understand what was written. Atheism doesn't have an argument against God. It's scientifically impossible to dismiss God on any level. The day you can disprove Jesus wasn't God is the day I will consider atheism to hold any truth or accuracy. Atheism is nothing but a crazy assumption.

What a laugh riot! We cannot even know if Jesus existed, let alone prove his divinity.

IBIH, you are the one making the extraordinary claim that a Jewish carpenter was God. This claim demands extraordinary evidence, and you have none.

Your arguments are all based on faith instead of evidence. Faith is not a reliable tool for finding the truth.

Failte · 10-01-2009, 09:32 AM

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Of course the bible is without error or conflict. You can list a Bible contradiction, and I will search on Google for the answers

"..and then I will twist them to fit my own idea of what was said, done, or meant." - -the refrain of christian apologists everywhere.

This is ridiculous. There are well-known and non-resolvable contradictions in the bible. If you don't see them, you are <edit> avoiding having to address these gaps in your "bible is inerrant" view.

I'm so impressed that you can "search in google". You're using the same sad "arguments' in multiple threads now. Whenever someone shows clear, non-controversial evidence that you are WRONG, you just hand-wave. What's the point?

Sai · 10-01-2009, 10:41 AM

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Of course the bible is without error or conflict. You can list a Bible contradiction, and I will search on Google for the answers

"..and then I will twist them to fit my own idea of what was said, done, or meant." - -the refrain of christian apologists everywhere.

This is ridiculous. There are well-known and non-resolvable contradictions in the bible. If you don't see them, you are <edit> avoiding having to address these gaps in your "bible is inerrant" view.

I'm so impressed that you can "search in google". You're using the same sad "arguments' in multiple threads now. Whenever someone shows clear, non-controversial evidence that you are WRONG, you just hand-wave. What's the point?

The point is that the whole construct that IB believes in is a rigid unit.

Like other rigid things, it is brittle. They CANNOT permit the tiniest crack, in any part of it. To admit to any error anywhere would be to make a fatal crack, and the whole thing would shatter crashing down.

Also see, they KNOW the are right, so really, even if they make a mistake in their reasoning, they are still right, because the bible is inerrant.

As one theocreologist put it...its like you atheists are the little boy, and you eat some cookies while mommy isnt home. She asks about the missing cookies; her earnest little boy tells her the most convincing story! Really, she would have to believe it but.. there is this surveillance tape that shows him taking them. So none of the arguments really mean anything do they?

The bible is their surveillance tape. No matter what, if the bible says something, its always right.

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