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There is no Free Will.

Psalm 139:16 your eyes saw my unformed body.
All the days ordained for me
were written in your book
before one of them came to be.

So, that means Hitler wasn't "evil", he was just part of God's plan?

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God created the species, wound it up and let it go. Chaos theory was responsible for the rest. God wasn't. He could see everything that would happen, but that's not his fault. He could have stopped AIDS and mass extinctions, the gasolene crisis which will cripple the world, the Hitlers, Idi Amins, the Pol Pots and the George Jnrs of the world, but he didn't, because it's all up to us, isn't it? That's the plan: we choose our fate. He has no responsibility at all. He didn't make the choices. He just created them. It's one thing to see what will happen -- it's another thing not to let useless things happen.

Of course it's all a crock. Just watch our christian comrades duck and weave as they always do with this topic.


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Mythra

Indeed. In Romans 9, we see that Pharaoh was created by God and destined for destruction. So, if Pharaoh had no choice in his actions, it stands to reason that Hitler didn't either.

What then shall we say? Is God unjust? Not at all! For he says to Moses,
"I will have mercy on whom I have mercy, and I will have compassion on whom I have compassion."It does not, therefore, depend on man's desire or effort, but on God's mercy. For the Scripture says to Pharaoh: "I raised you up for this very purpose, that I might display my power in you and that my name might be proclaimed in all the earth."Therefore God has mercy on whom he wants to have mercy, and he hardens whom he wants to harden. One of you will say to me: "Then why does God still blame us? For who resists his will?" But who are you, O man, to talk back to God? "Shall what is formed say to him who formed it, 'Why did you make me like this?' "Does not the potter have the right to make out of the same lump of clay some pottery for noble purposes and some for common use? What if God, choosing to show his wrath and make his power known, bore with great patience the objects of his wrath—prepared for destruction?

How can God blame us for being common pottery? Is it possible to be anything else, when we were thus designed by the master designer?

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This obiously creates a problem for the existence of Heaven and Hell.