Mageth

That would explain why the snake only bit him after he refused the snakes' suggestion to eat the candy my father told him he couldn't have.

Gooch's dad

Magus, do you have any support from any bible verse for the bit I put in bold type above?

From what I gather, orthodox Christian doctrine holds that Jesus is considered sinless because there was no copulation between Joseph and Mary, and the act of copulation is where the sin originates. There's nothing in that doctrine at all about your claim, "sin is passed through the father".

rlogan

Maybe someone can explain to me where this concept of original sin and all of us being guilty because of Adam arises before the NT. I don't even see the word "sin" in the Adam and Eve story. I see God curses the snake and the woman and the man. He's going to make them suffer on earth.

Seems to me that the OT God pretty much punishes people in the here and now as opposed to all eternity.

When Moses comes down off Sinai with his chocolate tablets and sees the golden calf , he doesn't make reference to Adam. The flood isn't referenced to Adam. Etc.

I see there in Romans:5 where Paul seems to be making a logical construct: We all are sinners because of one man and by law of symmetry we are all saved by one man.

There are two problems with that, of course - the first is that I don't see where the Jews had this concept previously. The second is that there is no law of "symmetry".

Mageth

If what Magus said is true, then there would be no need for the virgin birth. Mary could have been married for years with multiple children before Jesus.

Magus55

Its called the virgin birth because Mary didn't have sex to conceive Jesus.

Dr Rick

Neither did the mother of this little one:

Did she have a virgin birth, too?

Magus55

Actually, I was just reading a couple sites on it, and they say Jesus wasn't genetically related to Mary either. I probably heard about the passing of sin through the father based on Adam being the origin of sin. But according to the sites I read, having any genetic link between Joseph or Mary would have made Jesus inherit sin.

Mageth

No, it's called the virgin birth because Mary had allegedly never had sex. At least try to get your theology right, as well as your understanding of words (e.g. "virgin").

Mageth

Did that come from the "goofy site of the day" or what?

How in hell is "sin" supposed to be genetically inherited? How would you code for sin in DNA?

And that argument pretty much eliminates either of the genealogies in the Gospel, and the claim that Jesus was descended from David, doesn't it?

Mageth

Heck, I've got a niece who was conceived through in-vitro fertilization (no sex). But my sister-in-law was no virgin.