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Sitamun · 04-11-2008, 11:23 AM

sugarhitman can you please answer those questions I posted. We are still waiting for your answers. I'd also like to add:

Why are YOU allowed to use different meanings of words whenever it suits you without any proof or follow through. Your definition of empire can NOT mean one thing for Greece and one thing for Rome, another for Media and then another one for Persia. Please tell me you see the flaw in this!!

P.S. Sugar, please use quotes. It looks like you just made up that disagreement(with Shesonq) and wrote it out. (I can't find the original in the thread, but I could have missed it)
P.P.S. Ah, I found it...but you did not include your entire claim that he was in disagreement with sugar, now that's just bad form

sugarhitman · 04-11-2008, 12:05 PM

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Who controled this empire? The Greeks.

And thanks for the post. Sheshong said I was wrong when I said The Grecian empire did not include Europe....

No, I said you were wrong when you claimed this:

1. The Grecian empire was completely of the Greeks.

2. The Roman empire was of Latins and the Germanic peoples as well as the Greeks. If im not mistaken the Greek empire did not extend that far into Europe whereas the Romans did.

Both of those statements are incorrect. Like many of your other statements; for example,

3. Rome recruited a large number of Germanic peoples into their armies, and these people later took over the empire. The Germanic peoples have been in control of Europe since then. France, England, Germany, Denmark, Russia, America and a host of other European countries are dominated by the Germanic tribes.

4. The Germanic peoples have been in control of Europe since then.

5. France, England, Germany, Denmark, Russia, America and a host of other European countries are dominated by the Germanic tribes.

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So the lesson here is:

You stumbled all over yourself here because you started with your theology, and tried to guess your way through history. As opposed to, say, reading the history first to see what it actually said. :rolling: :rolling: :rolling:

And then, to put the icing on the cake, you tried to use a White Power website as the source for your arguments.
ROFLMAO

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I was right.
Thanks.

No, you're still wrong.

"Theodosius began whole-scale Germanization of both Eastern and Western military forces AT ALL LEVELS."

"...the wholesale Germanification of ROMAN Legions began."

"Germanics like Stilicho (a Germanic Roman military leader) and all who followed him as Master of Soldiers comprised all that was left of Roman military might to limit Germanic encroachment, or channel it away from Imperial interests."---- SparkNotes The Fall of Rome

And oh yes, Europe is very well dominated by the Germanic tribes. Modern Europe was shaped by these people.

You have yet to post a source that contradicts mine...why is that?

Sitamun · 04-11-2008, 12:11 PM

Evidence has been provided, you've just chosen to ignore. That is not our problem. It is yours.

Three non European powers to have a lasting impact on Europe

The Mongols
The Huns
The Moors

It's called google, and it is your friend

I have to go to work and don't have time for this now...I will later though, although I don't know why I bother you just choose to ignore it.

sugarhitman · 04-11-2008, 12:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Sitamun

sugarhitman can you please answer those questions I posted. We are still waiting for your answers. I'd also like to add:

Why are YOU allowed to use different meanings of words whenever it suits you without any proof or follow through. Your definition of empire can NOT mean one thing for Greece and one thing for Rome, another for Media and then another one for Persia. Please tell me you see the flaw in this!!

P.S. Sugar, please use quotes. It looks like you just made up that disagreement(with Shesonq) and wrote it out. (I can't find the original in the thread, but I could have missed it)
P.P.S. Ah, I found it...but you did not include your entire claim that he was in disagreement with sugar, now that's just bad form

What questions? I do believe I answered them.

And notice that i said correct me if im *mistaken* about the extent of Rome and Greece territories into Europe. He said I was mistaken....about that idea which is why i only wrote that sentence.

Sitamun · 04-11-2008, 12:20 PM

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Questions Sugarhitman still needs to answer:

What is your definition of a Roman?

What is your definition of an Empire?

Who were those 10 kings of the 4th Empire? (Amaleg13 asked at least 3 times)

If Bible prophesy is not as vague as you suggest then why does it always necessitate long and involved illustrations to prove specific interpretations of what they mean? (Newfie)

If these prophesies were as clear as you seem to believe then why do we need your, or anyone else’s, expertise simply to understand it? (Newfie)

So you will not support any of your claims? (Shesonq)

What makes you think -- assuming for your argument's sake that the third beast is Greece -- that either the four wings or the four heads represent the fleeting period of the diadochi? (spin)

Now sugar, I expect full detailed answers to these questions. Spelling will be taken into account (I'm funny). If I've missed questions please by all means add to the list. I think we should not move forward until these are answered.

THESE QUESTIONS

sugarhitman · 04-11-2008, 12:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Sitamun

Evidence has been provided, you've just chosen to ignore. That is not our problem. It is yours.

Three non European powers to have a lasting impact on Europe

The Mongols
The Huns
The Moors

It's called google, and it is your friend

I have to go to work and don't have time for this now...I will later though, although I don't know why I bother you just choose to ignore it.

And yet they never conquered Europe (especially the west). Where are those kingdoms now? Gone.....and Europe remains the dominant Global power...Daniel said they would.

I dont ignore you....I just dont agree.

Sheshonq · 04-11-2008, 12:31 PM

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"Theodosius began whole-scale Germanization of both Eastern and Western military forces AT ALL LEVELS."

So? Have another look at your claim. You'll find that this citation doesn't help you.

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"Germanics like Stilicho (a Germanic Roman military leader) and all who followed him as Master of Soldiers comprised all that was left of Roman military might to limit Germanic encroachment, or channel it away from Imperial interests."---- SparkNotes The Fall of Rome

Which - again - doesn't do anything to prove your claim, above.

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And oh yes, Europe is very well dominated by the Germanic tribes. Modern Europe was shaped by these people.

You're just repeating yourself. I'm still waiting for the evidence.

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You have yet to post a source that contradicts mine...why is that?

Because:

1. your sources don't say what you claim they do - why is that?

2. other people have posted sources that contradict you, yet you run like a scalded pig whenever you're asked to address those posts - why is that?

2. I don't have to prove you wrong; it's your job to prove yourself right. Even after being told that multiple times, it still hasn't sunk in - why is that?

Sheshonq · 04-11-2008, 12:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Sitamun

sugarhitman can you please answer those questions I posted. We are still waiting for your answers. I'd also like to add:

Why are YOU allowed to use different meanings of words whenever it suits you without any proof or follow through. Your definition of empire can NOT mean one thing for Greece and one thing for Rome, another for Media and then another one for Persia. Please tell me you see the flaw in this!!

P.S. Sugar, please use quotes. It looks like you just made up that disagreement(with Shesonq) and wrote it out. (I can't find the original in the thread, but I could have missed it)
P.P.S. Ah, I found it...but you did not include your entire claim that he was in disagreement with sugar, now that's just bad form

What questions? I do believe I answered them.

You have consistently refused to answer them - instead, you duck out for a day or two, then return, and pretend that nobody asked these questions.

Why is that? Never mind; I think we all know why.
:rolling: :rolling: :rolling: :rolling:

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And notice that i said correct me if im *mistaken* about the extent of Rome and Greece territories into Europe. He said I was mistaken....about that idea which is why i only wrote that sentence.

You are mistaken about more than that portion of your statement.

Sheshonq · 04-11-2008, 12:40 PM

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I dont ignore you....I just dont agree.

You're not qualified to "agree" - or disagree, for that matter. You aren't a scholar of history or politics; hell, you're a black man who can't even tell when he's stumbled on a white power website.

Sitamun cited actual historical sources, and he cited them in context. Unlike you. You may find those historical sources unwelcome or unconvenient. But you don't get to ignore them or brush them away merely because you "don't agree".

If you can't provide better citations or reasons why Sitamun's sources are wrong, then you lose the argument - whether you "agree" with that outcome or not.

Sheshonq · 04-11-2008, 12:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Sitamun

P.S. Sugar, please use quotes. It looks like you just made up that disagreement(with Shesonq) and wrote it out. (I can't find the original in the thread, but I could have missed it)
P.P.S. Ah, I found it...but you did not include your entire claim that he was in disagreement with sugar, now that's just bad form

Of course he didn't. Because if he had actually included the entire claim that I objected to, then it would have been obvious what I was pointing out as wrong.

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04-11-2008, 11:23 AM	#151
Sitamun Junior Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Florida Posts: 48	sugarhitman can you please answer those questions I posted. We are still waiting for your answers. I'd also like to add: Why are YOU allowed to use different meanings of words whenever it suits you without any proof or follow through. Your definition of empire can NOT mean one thing for Greece and one thing for Rome, another for Media and then another one for Persia. Please tell me you see the flaw in this!! P.S. Sugar, please use quotes. It looks like you just made up that disagreement(with Shesonq) and wrote it out. (I can't find the original in the thread, but I could have missed it) P.P.S. Ah, I found it...but you did not include your entire claim that he was in disagreement with sugar, now that's just bad form

04-11-2008, 12:11 PM	#153
Sitamun Junior Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Florida Posts: 48	Evidence has been provided, you've just chosen to ignore. That is not our problem. It is yours. Three non European powers to have a lasting impact on Europe The Mongols The Huns The Moors It's called google, and it is your friend I have to go to work and don't have time for this now...I will later though, although I don't know why I bother you just choose to ignore it.

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