sugarhitman

Critics have gone from saying that biblical prophecy are written afterwards, failures, to even being vague. But are prophecies vague?....certainly not.


Daniel ch 2 Nebby's dream of the statue is not vague and not any kingdom can fit this prophecy....it is very very clear as well as specific.


The statue is made of four different metals representing four kingdoms to arise one after the other.

1. Head of Gold
2. Chest and arms of silver
3. Stomach and thighs of brass
4. Legs of Iron
5. Ten toes mixed with Iron and Clay

Daniel gives the meaning which is very clear:

After describing the statue to Nebby Daniel reveals who the head of gold was: "You are this head of gold." and then he goes on to say "and after you shall arise another kingdom inferior to you (silver is inferior to gold), and another THIRD kingdom of brass which shall bear rule over all the earth. And the FOURTH kingdom shall be strong as iron....and where you saw the feet and toes, part of potter's clay and part of iron THE KINGDOM SHALL BE DIVIDED.....they sahll mingle themselves with the seed of men, but they shall not cleave one to another (this is exactly what has happen to Europe since the fall of Rome. Attempts for unification have been made but were usually weak or unsuccessful).

Now we know who the head of gold is but what about the rest? In chapter 5 we are given the second kingdom of silver. "Your kingdom is divided and given to the Medes and Persians" Daniel told the last king of Babylon. "And Darius the Median took the kingdom...."

1. Gold (Babylon)
2. Silver (Medo-Persia)

Who is the third? In ch 8 we are given the third. This chapter involves a war between a goat and a ram that Gabriel says "The ram which you saw having two horns are the kings of Media and Persia. And the rough goat is the king of GRECIA and the GREAT HORN that is between his eyes is the FIRST KING." The goat defeats the ram...in other words Greece is here shown to defeat Medo-Persia.

1. Gold (Babylon)
2. Silver (Medo-Persia)
3. Brass (Greece)

Who is the Fourth kingdom? Gabriel gives us a clue in ch. 9 "After 62 weeks shall Messiah (Jesus) be CUT OFF (killed) BUT NOT FOR HIMSELF (hmmmm) and THE PEOPLE OF THE PRINCE THAT SHALL COME SHALL DESTROY THE CITY AND THE TEMPLE."

The destruction of the Restored nation of Israel comes after the death of the Messiah...the Romans are the only people to have destroyed Israel after its rebirth and after the death of the Messiah.

"And it came to pass in those days that there went out a decree from Caeser Agustus, THAT ALL THE WORLD SHOULD BE TAXED." Matthew 2 Clearly by this authority Rome is the Supreme power.


Decriptions of the 4th kingdom:

1. strong as Iron that would "break in pieces and consume all these kingdoms" (that is iron is the most durable and strongest of all metals like gold silver and brass. No other human nation will be strong enough to overcome it. And to this day the inheritors of the Roman empire the Europeans have not been conquered by another people...the Persians the Mongols, Arabs and others have failed)

2. It would be divided. Rome divided into east and west Rome then into the separate powers of Europe (America too is a European power, currently the strongest nation on earth. The world wars today have been between these separate competeing European powers. Daniel foretold that the unity between them would be brittle)
3. Would endure until the coming of the Messiah...or rather His return. (see Daniel 2 44-45)


The Roman-European powers are the 4th kingdom.


Vague? Yeah, only to a blind man. These prophecies in Daniel are very easy to figure out if you continue to read all the chapters.



The prophecies concerning Israel are so clear that only the blind will cry "VAGUE!" Some critics would say God's promise to Israel is broken but allow me to let Him explain something to you concerning His plan at Aremegeddon in Ezekiel 39:

"And I will set my glory among the heathen, and all the heathen shall see My judgment that I have executed, and My hand that I have laid upon them. So the house of Israel shall know that I am the Lord their God from that day and forward. And the heathen shall know that the house of Israel went into captivity FOR THEIR INIQUITY: because they trespassed against me, therefore I HID MY FACE FROM THEM, and gave them into the hand of their enemies: so fell they all by the sword.....Therefore thus says the Lord GOD; "Now will I bring again the captivity of Jacob, and have mercy upon the whole house of Israel, and will be jealous for My Holy Name; after that they have borne their shame, and all their trespasses whereby they have trespassed against Me, when they dwelt safely in their land, and none made them afraid.

When I have brought them again from the people, and gathered them out of their enemies' lands, and am sanctified in them in the SIGHT OF MANY NATIONS; then shall they know that I am the Lord their God, which caused them to be led into captivity among the heathen: but I have gathered them unto their own land, and have left none of them any more there.
Neither will I hide My face from them anymore: for I have poured out my spirit upon the house of Israel, says the LORD GOD."


This is the last and final Restoration. The current restoration (1948) is not the last, but the restoration in preparation for Aremegeddon and the return of the Messiah.

In Joel 3:

"For, behold, in those days , and in that time, when I shall BRING AGAIN THE CAPTIVITY OF JUDAH AND JERUSALEM, I WILL ALSO GATHER ALL NATIONS , AND WILL BRING THEM DOWN INTO THE VALLEY OF JEHOSHAPHAT, AND WILL PLEAD WITH THEM THERE FOR MY PEOPLE AND FOR MY HERITAGE ISRAEL, WHOM THEY HAVE SCATTERD AMONG THE NATIONS AND DIVIDED MY LAND."

So we see here that after the restoration of Israel a final war will take place that ends with the defeat of the enemies of God and Israel, because they have scattered the Israelites and taken their land and Jerusalem.


"For behold I will gather all nations against Jerusalem to battle; and the city shall be taken, and the houses rifled, and the women ravished; and HALF the city shall go forth into captivity, and the residue of the people shall not be cut off from the city. THEN SHALL THE LORD GO FORTH, AND FIGHT AGAINST THOSE NATIONS, AS WHEN HE FOUGHT IN THE DAY OF BATTLE. AND HIS FEET SHALL STAND IN THAT DAY UPON THE MOUNT OF OLIVES, WHICH IS BEFORE JERUSALEM ON THE EAST AND TOWARDS THE WEST......" ZECHARIAH 14


Prophecies concerning Israel

1. Because of their sins they would be scattered throughout the world
2. Israel would be restored BEFORE Aremegeddon.
3. Israel and the surrounding nations would be in a conflict about the land of Israel and Jerusalem
4. A world war by all nations against Israel and Jerusalem....Aremegeddon.
5. The Messiah returns to save Israel from utter destruction
6. Final Restoration and everlasting peace for Israel


I could go on and on to show that the bible prophecies are not Vague. They are very clear and specific. The bible is the only Book to have prophecies of things to happen in the DISTANT future (verses short range prohecies) that have proven to be 100% accurate.


Biblical Prophecy Vague??.....Yeah right. :wave:

Deus Ex

How many more times are you going to spam the board with this nonsense. All of these 'prophecies' were already shot down in the BC&H forum.

I guess you are just Trolling for Christ.

sugarhitman

Not shot down mr. ex.....rejected

Self-Mutation

Nope, God is not a baby. He would've said "This nation in year X will defeat X and X will happen and the leaders will be person x and x and x and x."

How ridiculous you think God is some stupid being.

if the Bible had said "Israel will be restored out of nowhere by my own hand in 1948" and we saw Jews flying through the air into Israel, that would not be a vague prophecy.

Saying that God promised Israel in the future is too vague and you know it. You and I both know God has the power to write it down perfectly to the letter so there is no vagueness and second guessing.

I view God as the all powerful creator of the universe.

You view Him as a child who can't properly say what he means.

sugarhitman

No you veiw God as a "stupid being" the god you believe in does not exist. So tell me how did you come to know your god if he did not reveal himself in word?

funinspace

Ok, since you created a another thread maybe you can address why the below, where your forth kingdom also just an outgrowth of the 3rd kingdom…
And in the below verses, the Roman empire (nor any of sugar’s envisioned European extractions) have done this:
Daniel 7:23 He answered me thus: "The fourth beast shall be a fourth kingdom on earth, different from all the others; It shall devour the whole earth, beat it down, and crush it. 24 The ten horns shall be ten kings rising out of that kingdom; another shall rise up after them, Different from those before him, who shall lay low three kings.

ughaibu

Sugarhitman:
My challenge still stands. You know that god isn't averse to human prophesy and you'll be serving god's interest by recruiting, if you can demonstrate prophesy. So far you have no more than words, I'm offering you the chance to demonstrate your claims in actuality.

Self-Mutation

Logic and common sense. God's Word is far too powerful to be bound by some silly book. I can't believe you are still falling for what other men tell you.

sugarhitman

What im saying is that the people who controled the Roman Empire ofcourse were Europeans (Romans, Greeks, Celtics, Germanic etc). The Germanic people are the major factors who transformed the Roman empire into modern Europe. This is why history has it that Rome fell from WITHIN and not from without. And what people has yet to conquer Europe? Noone....and noone will.


And by the way Daniel 7 is the final form of that kingdom that includes the "Beast" of revelation 13. I will guarantee you that the Global government that arises in revelation will be controled by Europeans....the inheritors of the Roman Empire.

Prester John

I think you will find for number 5 you should have the Phoenicians (Carthage), because they were the traders of the ancient world, who made nations (clay) and provided them with the materials for there armies (iron).
think about it.