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Clivedurdle · 08-14-2007, 05:41 AM

every knee shall bow...

That sounds like a classic magical formulation - abracadbra!

What might be special about the word Jesus?

Ray Moscow · 08-14-2007, 05:47 AM

There is a short section in TJM about its particular NT spelling having a numerological significance, but I don't remember the details.

Chili · 08-14-2007, 06:05 AM

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Originally Posted by Clivedurdle

every knee shall bow...

That sounds like a classic magical formulation - abracadbra!

What might be special about the word Jesus?

There is nothing special about the word Jesus except that he is the way to heaven in Catholicism where Mary is held as the Gate of Heaven and that combination makes heaven religion specific.

Clivedurdle · 08-14-2007, 06:12 AM

Has anyone asked if the driving force for xianity might be about the name of Jesus in contrast to a person?

How might Logos fit?

premjan · 08-14-2007, 06:14 AM

It is just the loser's way of muttering "I'll get you one day" sort of like "even the stones will speak Arabic".

Chili · 08-14-2007, 06:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Clivedurdle

Has anyone asked if the driving force for xianity might be about the name of Jesus in contrast to a person?

How might Logos fit?

Logos pre-ordained it that way so there can be no other way. The name itself means nothing but the precedent set by the man called Jesus in history is what counts. Hence the "follow me."

Chili · 08-14-2007, 06:30 AM

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Originally Posted by premjan

It is just the loser's way of muttering "I'll get you one day" sort of like "even the stones will speak Arabic".

Not quite because the encounter with Jesus is not our choice unless we choose to make it our choice and then we deserve no better.

premjan · 08-14-2007, 06:33 AM

Sounds terribly abstract.

Clivedurdle · 08-14-2007, 06:38 AM

This from the revisiting Kate thread inspired me to ask.

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That much is clear from the pre-Pauline hymn in Philippians 2:6-11, the oldest window we can gain onto that early landscape. From his base sojourn to die, he reascended to the highest spiritual realm, there to gain the honor due to him, including the name “Jesus”.

Chili · 08-14-2007, 07:11 AM

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Originally Posted by Clivedurdle

This from the revisiting Kate thread inspired me to ask.

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That much is clear from the pre-Pauline hymn in Philippians 2:6-11, the oldest window we can gain onto that early landscape. From his base sojourn to die, he reascended to the highest spiritual realm, there to gain the honor due to him, including the name “Jesus”.

The name Jesus was added to Christ once he made it. I think I wrote there that Christ is the universal and Jesus the particular to serve as the master key to the kingdom as the only way.

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08-14-2007, 05:47 AM	#2
Ray Moscow Veteran Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Surrey, England Posts: 1,255	There is a short section in TJM about its particular NT spelling having a numerological significance, but I don't remember the details.

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Clivedurdle Contributor Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: London UK Posts: 16,024	Has anyone asked if the driving force for xianity might be about the name of Jesus in contrast to a person? How might Logos fit?

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premjan Obsessed Contributor Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: NJ Posts: 61,538	It is just the loser's way of muttering "I'll get you one day" sort of like "even the stones will speak Arabic".

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premjan Obsessed Contributor Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: NJ Posts: 61,538	Sounds terribly abstract.

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