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Chastity · 08-19-2006, 03:01 AM

Just starting to cover this field, I need a list of the most prominent and fundamental flaws related to Christianity. From a quick research, I found out about:

Absurd lifespan of o.t. characters
Definition of Trinity
Synoptic issue
Betrayal of Judas (its moral and rational appeal)
Paul as God's "apostle" (his role in the proliferation of Christianity etc)
Definition and real (or not) existence of Byzantine dominion
Hidden and suppressed texts (apochrypha, gnostic texts etc)
Human-like character of YHVH, his obscene acts in the o.t.
The act of Adan and Eve's original sin (is there any "sin" at all? etc)
The so-called holy light that appears every Easter time
The "relationship" of Jesus and Mary Magdalene
Orders related to Xnity (Priory of Sion, Templars, Essenes etc)
Questionable historical existence of Jesus
Days of Creation as described in the book of Genesis (o.t.)
Origin of Evil
Emperor Constantine and his relation to Christianity
Origins of Christianity (Mithraism, Judaism etc)
Pagan infuences and remains in Christianity
Orthodoxes, Protestants, Catholics etc, who is better defining Christianity?
Suppression of Christians against pagans (historical facts)

Ok, these are what I've gathered so far. Are there any other issues worth mentioning? Any info, short analysis or web links on these issues will be very helpfull :notworthy:

Johnny Skeptic · 08-19-2006, 04:41 AM

In my opinion, THE fundamental flaw in the Bible is 2 Peter 3:9. The verse says "The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance." The verse is obviously a lie. God refuses to do everything that he can in order to help ensure that as many people as possible go to heaven, and as few people as possible go to hell.

Chili · 08-19-2006, 05:44 AM

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Originally Posted by Chastity

Ok, these are what I've gathered so far. Are there any other issues worth mentioning? Any info, short analysis or web links on these issues will be very helpfull :notworthy:

Yes, Christianity is not a religion but is the end of religion in Christendom.

Osbert · 08-19-2006, 06:24 AM

You should take a look at this website http://www.jesusneverexisted.com/
you will find a few more flaws.

Johnny Skeptic · 08-19-2006, 06:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Osbert

You should take a look at this website http://www.jesusneverexisted.com/
you will find a few more flaws.

The link is really good. I just added it to my favorites. It would no doubt keep the scholarly Christians at this forum busy for awhile, not to mention less scholarly Christians.

Another good title for a thread would be 'What are the fundamentalist flaws in Christianity?'

Mr. Jaggers · 08-19-2006, 07:40 AM

If one can credit the gospels, Christianity did not have a creditable beginning. Judas betrayed Jesus for thirty pieces of silver; while Peter denied Christ thrice. Peter, with the connivance of a cheat named Paul, went on to capitalize on Christ’s memory in the world’s longest running pyramid scheme. (Paul’s chain letters, the “Epistles,” are still being circulated, and there are new suckers signing up every day!) Judas, at least, had the decency to return the money, and go hang himself.

Chili · 08-19-2006, 08:11 AM

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Originally Posted by Mr. Jaggers

If one can credit the gospels, Christianity did not have a creditable beginning. Judas betrayed Jesus for thirty pieces of silver; while Peter denied Christ thrice. Peter, with the connivance of a cheat named Paul, went on to capitalize on Christ’s memory in the world’s longest running pyramid scheme. (Paul’s chain letters, the “Epistles,” are still being circulated, and there are new suckers signing up every day!) Judas, at least, had the decency to return the money, and go hang himself.

But the nature of religion is that we hang our own religious identity and walk away from it as Christian. It is when we try to take our religious identity with us that we hang our own self, or at least, die as a slave to this ideal (idol) that we present and defend (often at all cost) of being something that we are not.

From here it is wrong to blame the bible for misleading us because it actually shows us how it is done. It is also wrong to blame religion for misleading us if we fail to crucify our religious identity that is ours only to get rid of our frail and often failing human identity.

Mr. Jaggers · 08-19-2006, 08:15 AM

Contrary to the proverb, it is not for the love of money, but religion that is the root of all evil.

Diogenes the Cynic · 08-19-2006, 02:36 PM

Moving this to GRD

DtC, Moderator, BC&H

Dogen · 08-19-2006, 03:07 PM

In my opinion the most fundamental flaw is this: Christianity was NOT meant to last a score of centuries! The Christian cult staked its existence on the idea that Jesus of Nazareth was returning "soon" to set up his kingdom. That is what the entire framework of NT theology is based on! That the early church was an eschatological gathering and that the end of the world was immanent. And history obviously proves that the disciples were wrong about their most basic belief. And there isn't anything the apologists can do about it, it's as clear as day that they were wrong. So why doesn't (or didn't) it just end there? Are people too in love with their theology to see the truth? Yep.

08-19-2006, 03:01 AM	#1
Chastity Junior Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Innerspace Posts: 6	What are the fundamental flaws of Christianity? Just starting to cover this field, I need a list of the most prominent and fundamental flaws related to Christianity. From a quick research, I found out about: Absurd lifespan of o.t. characters Definition of Trinity Synoptic issue Betrayal of Judas (its moral and rational appeal) Paul as God's "apostle" (his role in the proliferation of Christianity etc) Definition and real (or not) existence of Byzantine dominion Hidden and suppressed texts (apochrypha, gnostic texts etc) Human-like character of YHVH, his obscene acts in the o.t. The act of Adan and Eve's original sin (is there any "sin" at all? etc) The so-called holy light that appears every Easter time The "relationship" of Jesus and Mary Magdalene Orders related to Xnity (Priory of Sion, Templars, Essenes etc) Questionable historical existence of Jesus Days of Creation as described in the book of Genesis (o.t.) Origin of Evil Emperor Constantine and his relation to Christianity Origins of Christianity (Mithraism, Judaism etc) Pagan infuences and remains in Christianity Orthodoxes, Protestants, Catholics etc, who is better defining Christianity? Suppression of Christians against pagans (historical facts) Ok, these are what I've gathered so far. Are there any other issues worth mentioning? Any info, short analysis or web links on these issues will be very helpfull :notworthy:

08-19-2006, 04:41 AM	#2
Johnny Skeptic Banned Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Florida Posts: 19,796	What are the fundamental flaws of Christianity? In my opinion, THE fundamental flaw in the Bible is 2 Peter 3:9. The verse says "The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance." The verse is obviously a lie. God refuses to do everything that he can in order to help ensure that as many people as possible go to heaven, and as few people as possible go to hell.

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08-19-2006, 06:24 AM	#4
Osbert Regular Member Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Italy Posts: 412	You should take a look at this website http://www.jesusneverexisted.com/ you will find a few more flaws.

08-19-2006, 07:40 AM	#6
Mr. Jaggers Regular Member Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: USA Posts: 139	If one can credit the gospels, Christianity did not have a creditable beginning. Judas betrayed Jesus for thirty pieces of silver; while Peter denied Christ thrice. Peter, with the connivance of a cheat named Paul, went on to capitalize on Christ’s memory in the world’s longest running pyramid scheme. (Paul’s chain letters, the “Epistles,” are still being circulated, and there are new suckers signing up every day!) Judas, at least, had the decency to return the money, and go hang himself.

08-19-2006, 08:15 AM	#8
Mr. Jaggers Regular Member Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: USA Posts: 139	Contrary to the proverb, it is not for the love of money, but religion that is the root of all evil.

08-19-2006, 02:36 PM	#9
Diogenes the Cynic Moderator - Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Twin Cities, Minnesota Posts: 4,639	Moving this to GRD DtC, Moderator, BC&H

08-19-2006, 03:07 PM	#10
Dogen Junior Member Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: US Posts: 65	In my opinion the most fundamental flaw is this: Christianity was NOT meant to last a score of centuries! The Christian cult staked its existence on the idea that Jesus of Nazareth was returning "soon" to set up his kingdom. That is what the entire framework of NT theology is based on! That the early church was an eschatological gathering and that the end of the world was immanent. And history obviously proves that the disciples were wrong about their most basic belief. And there isn't anything the apologists can do about it, it's as clear as day that they were wrong. So why doesn't (or didn't) it just end there? Are people too in love with their theology to see the truth? Yep.

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