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Old 03-16-2008, 02:03 PM   #21
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Jesus, who is presented by the gospel authors as gnawing on the bones of sheep

:huh:He is??:huh: Where specifically?

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Jesus, who is presented by the gospel authors as gnawing on the bones of sheep

:huh:He is??:huh: Where specifically?

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At three Passovers.
Downtown Jerusalem.


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:huh:He is??:huh: Where specifically?

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At three Passovers.
Where specifically in the canonical Gospels, and especially in the one that presents Jesus as going to three successive Passovers (i.e., GJohn) is Jesus presented, as you claim he is, as gnawing on bones of any sort. Chapter and verse please.

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At three Passovers.
Downtown Jerusalem.

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Pete - you've got to stop this.

Mark has Jesus celebrating the passover, and you can infer that he ate some lamb - except that the text there never portrays him as eating. The disciples are eating. Jesus offers them bread and wine.

Luke has the same story.

In fact, there are a number of scenes in the gospels where you might infer that Jesus has eaten something, but IIRC the only actual instance of Jesus eating is in the post-resurrection scene where he eats some fish to make a point.

This is one of the mythicist arguments - that Jesus seems to hover over the action, not actually participating.
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At three Passovers.
Where specifically in the canonical Gospels, and especially in the one that presents Jesus as going to three successive Passovers (i.e., GJohn) is Jesus presented, as you claim he is, as gnawing on bones of any sort. Chapter and verse please.

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Here is the final passover feast in Jerusalem:
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"Then came the first day of Unleavened Bread on which the Passover lamb had to be sacrificed. And Jesus sent Peter and John, saying, "Go and prepare the Passover for us, so that we may eat it."" (Luke 22:7-8)
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Where specifically in the canonical Gospels, and especially in the one that presents Jesus as going to three successive Passovers (i.e., GJohn) is Jesus presented, as you claim he is, as gnawing on bones of any sort. Chapter and verse please.

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Here is the final passover feast in Jerusalem:
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"Then came the first day of Unleavened Bread on which the Passover lamb had to be sacrificed. And Jesus sent Peter and John, saying, "Go and prepare the Passover for us, so that we may eat it."" (Luke 22:7-8)
Where is the explicit description or report in Luke that you have claimed is there (and in the other gospels as well -- cf your Jesus "is presented by the gospel authors" -- as "gnawing on the bones of sheep"?? Where does it appear in GMatthew, GMark, and GJohn?

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Did Jesus Eat Meat? is a reaction to a PETA campaign. But even that article cannot locate anything other than an inference that Jesus actually ate the lamb, much less gnawed on a bone.

Do you have a reference for your alleged "ascetic priest shepherds"?
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The last words of Plato, referred to Asclepius.
Umm, these are, according to Plato (who says he had it second hand), the last words of Socrates. See Phaedo 118.

In what text are Plato's last words cited?


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and physician of Asclepius?
Once again -- where is your evidence that Asclepius had priests? Is the Greek word for "priest" ever used in Greek literature or inscriptions for Asclepius' devotees? If so, please cite the text and/or the inscription.

And where is your primary evidence that the attendants at "Aclepiums" were ascetic? Where is this reported in any text or inscription about his devotees?

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Did Jesus Eat Meat? is a reaction to a PETA campaign. But even that article cannot locate anything other than an inference that Jesus actually ate the lamb, much less gnawed on a bone.

Do you have a reference for your alleged "ascetic priest shepherds"?
I'd like to see one that shows that Pachomius' followers were priests! May we have your source for that too, Pete?

Or is this a claim on the same order as your "Asclepius was depicted and presented in ancient literature as an ascetic"?

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Pachomius

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Though Pachomius sometimes acted as lector for nearby shepherds, neither he or any of his monks became priests. St Athanasius visited and wished to ordain him in 333, but Pachomius fled from him. Athanasius' visit was probably a result of Pachomius' zealous defence of orthodoxy against Arianism.
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